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	<title>Comments on: Bay to Breakers: The Death of Fun?</title>
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		<title>By: Barna Mink</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/02/13/bay-to-breakers-the-death-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-3694</link>
		<dc:creator>Barna Mink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m just getting old, but this &quot;death of fun&quot; talk seems a little too dramatic to me. I&#039;m an open minded guy and no prude by any means, but I also think that the corporate sponsor&#039;s position is perfectly understandable. So those who want to preserve this uhh, &quot;eclectic mix of athleticism and hedonism&quot; should either pay up themselves or find a different sponsor. OK? Just don&#039;t mistake this for some sort of social struggle to preserve the real SF.

On a personal note, as stated above, I&#039;m quite open minded, but I wish that there would be fewer daytime drunks, less pissing, and less public nudity in SF in general. The number of shriveled cocks and tanned beer bellies I care to look at on any given day is quite low. Zero, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just getting old, but this &#8220;death of fun&#8221; talk seems a little too dramatic to me. I&#8217;m an open minded guy and no prude by any means, but I also think that the corporate sponsor&#8217;s position is perfectly understandable. So those who want to preserve this uhh, &#8220;eclectic mix of athleticism and hedonism&#8221; should either pay up themselves or find a different sponsor. OK? Just don&#8217;t mistake this for some sort of social struggle to preserve the real SF.</p>
<p>On a personal note, as stated above, I&#8217;m quite open minded, but I wish that there would be fewer daytime drunks, less pissing, and less public nudity in SF in general. The number of shriveled cocks and tanned beer bellies I care to look at on any given day is quite low. Zero, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt H - I think you missed the point -- we don&#039;t want &#039;other venues&#039; -- we want Bay2Breakers. 

The &#039;other venues&#039; excuse is the same line George Bush fed us when he closed down our First Amendment rights at every protest we showed up at. He was incredibly supportive of the First Amendment, of course, just as long as it wasn&#039;t anywhere in the vicinity of his gatherings -- most of which were on public property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt H &#8211; I think you missed the point &#8212; we don&#8217;t want &#8216;other venues&#8217; &#8212; we want Bay2Breakers. </p>
<p>The &#8216;other venues&#8217; excuse is the same line George Bush fed us when he closed down our First Amendment rights at every protest we showed up at. He was incredibly supportive of the First Amendment, of course, just as long as it wasn&#8217;t anywhere in the vicinity of his gatherings &#8212; most of which were on public property.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Greg, your rant kind of reminds me of when smoking was banned in movie theaters, then bars.  &quot;No one will go anymore, it won&#039;t be any fun, the economy will collapse and the world will end!&quot;  There are plenty of other venues in SF where you can get publicly drunk and naked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Greg, your rant kind of reminds me of when smoking was banned in movie theaters, then bars.  &#8220;No one will go anymore, it won&#8217;t be any fun, the economy will collapse and the world will end!&#8221;  There are plenty of other venues in SF where you can get publicly drunk and naked.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Gault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederick Gault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is one San Franciscan here since 1980, married to a woman born here who loves B2B!  BTW, there have been floats, worms, caterpillers and nudists all 28 years I&#039;ve been running it as a San Francisco resident.  

As always, there are people who are terrified that someone somewhere is having a good time.

SAVE BAY TO BREAKERS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one San Franciscan here since 1980, married to a woman born here who loves B2B!  BTW, there have been floats, worms, caterpillers and nudists all 28 years I&#8217;ve been running it as a San Francisco resident.  </p>
<p>As always, there are people who are terrified that someone somewhere is having a good time.</p>
<p>SAVE BAY TO BREAKERS.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The floats are a relatively recent innovation, and the drinking really has reached a new level in recent years.  Personally I stay away from the &quot;Transplant Trot,&quot; and I can&#039;t help but observe that most people lamenting the death of their &quot;tradition&quot; have moved here very recently, and seem to define &quot;tradition&quot; as something they&#039;ve done both years since.  There seems to be a gap in the flow of cultural information from one generation of runners to the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The floats are a relatively recent innovation, and the drinking really has reached a new level in recent years.  Personally I stay away from the &#8220;Transplant Trot,&#8221; and I can&#8217;t help but observe that most people lamenting the death of their &#8220;tradition&#8221; have moved here very recently, and seem to define &#8220;tradition&#8221; as something they&#8217;ve done both years since.  There seems to be a gap in the flow of cultural information from one generation of runners to the next.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The impacts from public urination can be rinsed away where the impacts from so many other burdens of various ventures touted as of our tourism economy are much longer lasting and detrimental.  People relieve themselves in the streets all the time every day in my neighborhood and there doesn&#039;t seem to be a hue and cry about it.  

We need to develop a culture of harm reduction as relates to people pissing and shitting on the streets.  In my neighborhood where piss is the least of our problems, I&#039;d like to see crapper stations where people can get plastic bags, TP and sanitizer so that they can find somewhere to do their business, clean up and pack it all away, I mean people don&#039;t shit in the streets of Mexico City where many are poorer and crazier than here, for chrissake.  

Similarly, for Bay to Breakers, organizers might distribute disposable screw top bottles with mouths wide enough to accomodate any kind of genitalia, so that people can pour their drinks into them and put everything back where it came from when the time comes.

When we support development rules that take edgy dense urban areas and slates them for luxury condominiums and &quot;livable city&quot; treatments and amenities, then we are going to see the rise of a much less fun voting population and commensurately bland public policy.  As Gavin Newsom said: &quot;there is no fundamental difference between San Francisco and Stockton.&quot;

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The impacts from public urination can be rinsed away where the impacts from so many other burdens of various ventures touted as of our tourism economy are much longer lasting and detrimental.  People relieve themselves in the streets all the time every day in my neighborhood and there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a hue and cry about it.  </p>
<p>We need to develop a culture of harm reduction as relates to people pissing and shitting on the streets.  In my neighborhood where piss is the least of our problems, I&#8217;d like to see crapper stations where people can get plastic bags, TP and sanitizer so that they can find somewhere to do their business, clean up and pack it all away, I mean people don&#8217;t shit in the streets of Mexico City where many are poorer and crazier than here, for chrissake.  </p>
<p>Similarly, for Bay to Breakers, organizers might distribute disposable screw top bottles with mouths wide enough to accomodate any kind of genitalia, so that people can pour their drinks into them and put everything back where it came from when the time comes.</p>
<p>When we support development rules that take edgy dense urban areas and slates them for luxury condominiums and &#8220;livable city&#8221; treatments and amenities, then we are going to see the rise of a much less fun voting population and commensurately bland public policy.  As Gavin Newsom said: &#8220;there is no fundamental difference between San Francisco and Stockton.&#8221;</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: Seth A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard a rational case FOR public urination but you make a good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard a rational case FOR public urination but you make a good point.</p>
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