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	<title>Comments on: The Real Numbers on Golden Gate Bridge Bicycle Crashes</title>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/06/the-real-numbers-on-golden-gate-bridge-bicycle-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-17861</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might not be the root cause of all bike accidents on the GGB, but there is definite merit to the &quot;bike rental&quot; concern.  My wife and I were riding back from Tiburon one weekend.  We were riding slow enough that other cyclists were passing us.  We encountered a few packs of tourists including a tandem bike, so we passed each of them independently, me going first.  My wife was passing the last tourist when the toursit mysteriously swerved to the left, forcing my wife into the guard rail and breaking her wrist.  The best part was that the tourist saw her hit the guard rail and crumple to the ground, and yet continued on riding without concern.  I think that the bike rental agencies really need to give these tourists a crash course for riding on the GGB before they send them out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might not be the root cause of all bike accidents on the GGB, but there is definite merit to the "bike rental" concern.  My wife and I were riding back from Tiburon one weekend.  We were riding slow enough that other cyclists were passing us.  We encountered a few packs of tourists including a tandem bike, so we passed each of them independently, me going first.  My wife was passing the last tourist when the toursit mysteriously swerved to the left, forcing my wife into the guard rail and breaking her wrist.  The best part was that the tourist saw her hit the guard rail and crumple to the ground, and yet continued on riding without concern.  I think that the bike rental agencies really need to give these tourists a crash course for riding on the GGB before they send them out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikes can be a viable alternative to cars buses etc. BUT that means the infrastructure has to be there to allow them to do it quickly so riding to work by bike doesn&#039;t take all day.  

Don&#039;t tell the bikes to slow down.  Tell em to open the other side up for bikes all the time especially during commute hours.  Workers and peds should share one side bikes the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikes can be a viable alternative to cars buses etc. BUT that means the infrastructure has to be there to allow them to do it quickly so riding to work by bike doesn't take all day.  </p>
<p>Don't tell the bikes to slow down.  Tell em to open the other side up for bikes all the time especially during commute hours.  Workers and peds should share one side bikes the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, well it seems to go without saying that the pedestrians AND cyclists must have more space (peds in the bike space and bikes in the car space). Until that happens the Dirty God of Car and its Council on Earth will just continue to read articles like this and laugh their heads off.

But seriously, now difficult it would be to have a temporary and cheap slow lane for bikes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, well it seems to go without saying that the pedestrians AND cyclists must have more space (peds in the bike space and bikes in the car space). Until that happens the Dirty God of Car and its Council on Earth will just continue to read articles like this and laugh their heads off.</p>
<p>But seriously, now difficult it would be to have a temporary and cheap slow lane for bikes?</p>
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		<title>By: pde</title>
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		<dc:creator>pde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mary Currie&#039;s &quot;attorney client privileges&quot;: Huh? The GGBD would be the client and can disclose anything they like, even if they also told their attorney.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The first thing an attorney will tell you when they start represent ingyou is to be extremely careful about what information you disclose publicly, because you will loose any ability to prevent parties who are suing you from knowing it.  Once you disclose it publicly, you loose attorney-client privilege in it.

That isn&#039;t to say that the GGBD shouldn&#039;t be disclosing this information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mary Currie's "attorney client privileges": Huh? The GGBD would be the client and can disclose anything they like, even if they also told their attorney.</p></blockquote>
<p>The first thing an attorney will tell you when they start represent ingyou is to be extremely careful about what information you disclose publicly, because you will loose any ability to prevent parties who are suing you from knowing it.  Once you disclose it publicly, you loose attorney-client privilege in it.</p>
<p>That isn't to say that the GGBD shouldn't be disclosing this information.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamison Wieser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamison Wieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve witnessed a couple major accidents on the west side and had dozens of close calls myself due to people who aren&#039;t paying attention. Though the Golden Gate Bridge has a bunch of complicated signs saying what side to ride on at what times, but they don&#039;t include the most basic safety messages that everyone should know, but don&#039;t follow as often as they should.

• Ride single file when riders are coming the other way
• Keep right
• Do not make sudden stops and pull your bike as far over as possible
• Call out &quot;passing on the left&quot; before passing and only when it&#039;s safe to do so

And having seen a couple crashes at the anchorage I think people underestimate how narrow it is. There&#039;s plenty of room on those big concrete blocks for a sign saying something like, &quot;narrow, slow down&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've witnessed a couple major accidents on the west side and had dozens of close calls myself due to people who aren't paying attention. Though the Golden Gate Bridge has a bunch of complicated signs saying what side to ride on at what times, but they don't include the most basic safety messages that everyone should know, but don't follow as often as they should.</p>
<p>• Ride single file when riders are coming the other way<br />
• Keep right<br />
• Do not make sudden stops and pull your bike as far over as possible<br />
• Call out "passing on the left" before passing and only when it's safe to do so</p>
<p>And having seen a couple crashes at the anchorage I think people underestimate how narrow it is. There's plenty of room on those big concrete blocks for a sign saying something like, "narrow, slow down".</p>
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		<title>By: John Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem I see on the bridge, by far, is people stopping at the towers to take photos - dismounting and putting their bikes in the middle of the path behind the blind corner. 

Two abreast I can plan for. 

And Theo, frankly if you ride back and forth on that thing every day to get to work, some days you just want (need??) to get to work or get home. Just because the route from home to work happens to be spectacularly scenic doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t ignore that fact sometimes without taking it for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem I see on the bridge, by far, is people stopping at the towers to take photos - dismounting and putting their bikes in the middle of the path behind the blind corner. </p>
<p>Two abreast I can plan for. </p>
<p>And Theo, frankly if you ride back and forth on that thing every day to get to work, some days you just want (need??) to get to work or get home. Just because the route from home to work happens to be spectacularly scenic doesn't mean you can't ignore that fact sometimes without taking it for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Sprague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sprague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A center line with occasional directional arrows painted on the west sidewalk would help discourage bicyclists from riding two or three abreast, especially on busy weekends and afternoons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A center line with occasional directional arrows painted on the west sidewalk would help discourage bicyclists from riding two or three abreast, especially on busy weekends and afternoons.</p>
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		<title>By: theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t slow down and enjoy the bridge as more than a quotidian means of getting from Marin to SF, you don&#039;t deserve to ride on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can't slow down and enjoy the bridge as more than a quotidian means of getting from Marin to SF, you don't deserve to ride on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yokota Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yokota Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Currie&#039;s &quot;attorney client privileges&quot;: Huh? The GGBD would be the client and can disclose anything they like, even if they also told their attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Currie's "attorney client privileges": Huh? The GGBD would be the client and can disclose anything they like, even if they also told their attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,
The CHP did not have figures for 2008 so there was not a &quot;match&quot; with GG Bridge District. What the CHP did have was more detail on which sides of the bridge and time of day, allowing for better judgment about what&#039;s really going on.  It suggests, but not definitively that fast commuting may be the issue.  More detail is needed, particularly for the 34 in 2008, which may include a wider area than the CHP numbers.  Hope that Helps.  --Pam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,<br />
The CHP did not have figures for 2008 so there was not a "match" with GG Bridge District. What the CHP did have was more detail on which sides of the bridge and time of day, allowing for better judgment about what's really going on.  It suggests, but not definitively that fast commuting may be the issue.  More detail is needed, particularly for the 34 in 2008, which may include a wider area than the CHP numbers.  Hope that Helps.  --Pam</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the CHP concur with the GGBD about there being 34 collisions in 2008? If so, that does seem like a significant jump 7 in 2005, 3 in 2006, and 4 in 2007. But maybe CHP only counts more serious collisions? The Matier and Ross piece says of the 34 collisions, 19 led to trips to the hospital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the CHP concur with the GGBD about there being 34 collisions in 2008? If so, that does seem like a significant jump 7 in 2005, 3 in 2006, and 4 in 2007. But maybe CHP only counts more serious collisions? The Matier and Ross piece says of the 34 collisions, 19 led to trips to the hospital.</p>
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		<title>By: crhilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>crhilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveO,

That&#039;s a fair point.  Cyclists should be very careful of pedestrians.  I don&#039;t, however, think many have said that the less vulnerable is automatically responsible...  If I&#039;m cycling on the street and I veer into your car as you pass me (at a reasonable distance) then it&#039;s clearly my fault!  

On the street, though, there are laws.  On trails like this (I&#039;m not a resident, but we all have trails with pedestrians) there are rules that aren&#039;t enforced by anyone.  Everyone has their own set, and there&#039;s some overlap.  These seem to be very common ones that most know:
 * Say &quot;on your left&quot; before passing
 * Give others a little room to wander toward you when passing
 * Ride/walk to the right
 * Don&#039;t take up the whole trail, preferably stay on one side

It&#039;s my opinion that cyclists should make up for silly things that pedestrians do.  But if they jump into you as you pass them in a reasonable manner then it&#039;s their fault:  You can only make up for so much.  

Cyclists should do this because they&#039;re overtaking. 

In the same light:  Lance wannabes should watch out for tourists on bikes.  In fact, watch them harder because they veer left faster...

I&#039;m guessing tourists on bikes are about as predictable as kids on their first two wheeler...  Except they&#039;re bigger so they can cross the whole right of way much quicker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveO,</p>
<p>That's a fair point.  Cyclists should be very careful of pedestrians.  I don't, however, think many have said that the less vulnerable is automatically responsible...  If I'm cycling on the street and I veer into your car as you pass me (at a reasonable distance) then it's clearly my fault!  </p>
<p>On the street, though, there are laws.  On trails like this (I'm not a resident, but we all have trails with pedestrians) there are rules that aren't enforced by anyone.  Everyone has their own set, and there's some overlap.  These seem to be very common ones that most know:<br />
 * Say "on your left" before passing<br />
 * Give others a little room to wander toward you when passing<br />
 * Ride/walk to the right<br />
 * Don't take up the whole trail, preferably stay on one side</p>
<p>It's my opinion that cyclists should make up for silly things that pedestrians do.  But if they jump into you as you pass them in a reasonable manner then it's their fault:  You can only make up for so much.  </p>
<p>Cyclists should do this because they're overtaking. </p>
<p>In the same light:  Lance wannabes should watch out for tourists on bikes.  In fact, watch them harder because they veer left faster...</p>
<p>I'm guessing tourists on bikes are about as predictable as kids on their first two wheeler...  Except they're bigger so they can cross the whole right of way much quicker.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The bridge police are telling cyclists to share the paths with pedestrians, and that’s fine. But where’s the effort to tell pedestrians to stay to the right as they walk so that cyclists can get though safely?”

What happened to the rule that the less vulnerable mode of transit is automatically responsibly for the welfare of the more vulnerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The bridge police are telling cyclists to share the paths with pedestrians, and that’s fine. But where’s the effort to tell pedestrians to stay to the right as they walk so that cyclists can get though safely?”</p>
<p>What happened to the rule that the less vulnerable mode of transit is automatically responsibly for the welfare of the more vulnerable.</p>
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		<title>By: John Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna Domino falls prey to &quot;Murphy&#039;s Corrollary to Godwin&#039;s Law&quot; and invokes &quot;Lance Armstrong&quot; - therefore automatically losing. brianna loses in overtime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna Domino falls prey to "Murphy's Corrollary to Godwin's Law" and invokes "Lance Armstrong" - therefore automatically losing. brianna loses in overtime.</p>
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		<title>By: brianna hoffner</title>
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		<dc:creator>brianna hoffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and a lot of bikers think they’re Lance Armstrong&quot; -- i couldn&#039;t agree more. i&#039;m an experienced cyclist and former messenger and every single near-crash i&#039;ve had on the GGB is when some aggro weekend warrior wants to plow down the bike lane at 20 mph when the ambient speed is about half that. slow down, enjoy the scenery, chill out, and then hammer the pedals when you have the room to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"and a lot of bikers think they’re Lance Armstrong" -- i couldn't agree more. i'm an experienced cyclist and former messenger and every single near-crash i've had on the GGB is when some aggro weekend warrior wants to plow down the bike lane at 20 mph when the ambient speed is about half that. slow down, enjoy the scenery, chill out, and then hammer the pedals when you have the room to do so.</p>
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