Comments on: Muni Releases List of Service Enhancements As Supes Near Rejection Vote http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/ Covering San Francisco's livable streets movement Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jim http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5926 jim Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:57:40 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5926 @marcos: We would not need dedicated express service to Levis Plaza except for the fact that the 10 bus is very slow because it stops so often. If we could cut half the stops, the trip would be much faster with more frequent service. Your belief that our existing very short distances between stops be maintained results in inefficiencies at all levels which must be compensated for by even more service modes such as express buses. This is not to say that express buses are not necessary in some cases, but their use would be mitigated by rational bus stop spacing and other operational efficiencies such as enforced dedicated bus lanes and POP. @marcos: We would not need dedicated express service to Levis Plaza except for the fact that the 10 bus is very slow because it stops so often. If we could cut half the stops, the trip would be much faster with more frequent service. Your belief that our existing very short distances between stops be maintained results in inefficiencies at all levels which must be compensated for by even more service modes such as express buses.

This is not to say that express buses are not necessary in some cases, but their use would be mitigated by rational bus stop spacing and other operational efficiencies such as enforced dedicated bus lanes and POP.

]]> By: marcos http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5842 marcos Fri, 29 May 2009 05:59:53 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5842 @jim, is Levis Plaza unique in its connection to CalTrain to the extent that it deserves that intense a level of service? Aren't those 8[123]X lines all paid for by the MTC to provide connectivity to CalTrain? I'd rather see an express connection between Church Street Station and CalTrain which would serve more people and more San Franciscans. I believe that all of that money is used to bring commuters into San Francisco rather than bring San Franciscans to their commutes. -marc @jim, is Levis Plaza unique in its connection to CalTrain to the extent that it deserves that intense a level of service? Aren’t those 8[123]X lines all paid for by the MTC to provide connectivity to CalTrain? I’d rather see an express connection between Church Street Station and CalTrain which would serve more people and more San Franciscans. I believe that all of that money is used to bring commuters into San Francisco rather than bring San Franciscans to their commutes.

-marc

]]> By: Jamison Wieser http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5831 Jamison Wieser Thu, 28 May 2009 22:44:44 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5831 Extending the 39-Coit is an attempt to draw in enough ridership to maintain 2 busses on the route instead of cutting it down to just 1 bus and cutting out the low-ridership Union Street leg of the line. Extending the 39-Coit is an attempt to draw in enough ridership to maintain 2 busses on the route instead of cutting it down to just 1 bus and cutting out the low-ridership Union Street leg of the line.

]]> By: jim http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5829 jim Thu, 28 May 2009 22:26:44 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5829 @marcos - Don Fisher is Gap, not Levis. Service to Levis Plaza is quite important as there not only Gap, but Williams Sonoma and all manner of law firms and ad agencies. As for the 39 Coit, they are keeping service on it for the roughly 20 people that use it on Telegraph Hill. It actually inconveniences tourists since the bus takes a strange trip to the top of Union St after coming down from Coit Tower. Streetsblog should do a story on the travesty that is the 39 Coit. @marcos – Don Fisher is Gap, not Levis. Service to Levis Plaza is quite important as there not only Gap, but Williams Sonoma and all manner of law firms and ad agencies.

As for the 39 Coit, they are keeping service on it for the roughly 20 people that use it on Telegraph Hill. It actually inconveniences tourists since the bus takes a strange trip to the top of Union St after coming down from Coit Tower. Streetsblog should do a story on the travesty that is the 39 Coit.

]]> By: marcos http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5818 marcos Thu, 28 May 2009 13:54:57 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5818 Everything's going to be okay so long as Donald Fisher's employees get from CalTrain to work on time due to enhancements of the 82X-Levi Plaza Express and tourists get to Coit Tower on the 39 Coit. It is always important for our public services to take care of commuters and tourists before San Franciscans. -marc Everything’s going to be okay so long as Donald Fisher’s employees get from CalTrain to work on time due to enhancements of the 82X-Levi Plaza Express and tourists get to Coit Tower on the 39 Coit.

It is always important for our public services to take care of commuters and tourists before San Franciscans.

-marc

]]> By: theo http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5813 theo Thu, 28 May 2009 07:09:04 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5813 @Jamison: interesting news about the stop reductions -- dare I say, some of the best news to come out of this financial crisis. Does that mean we should send our suggestions for stop elimination to Muni, via the TEP email address? @Jamison: interesting news about the stop reductions — dare I say, some of the best news to come out of this financial crisis.

Does that mean we should send our suggestions for stop elimination to Muni, via the TEP email address?

]]> By: theo http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5812 theo Thu, 28 May 2009 07:02:39 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5812 @Jeffrey: TEP recommendations are here: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mtep/teprecs.htm#byLine That first block of 14th Ave is pretty steep, but it's no worse than Clay and Sacramento streets which the 1 California travels daily with very short headways. Electric trolleybuses are much better on hills than diesels (more torque). Whether they can overcome NIMBYs, that's another story. @Jeffrey: TEP recommendations are here: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mtep/teprecs.htm#byLine

That first block of 14th Ave is pretty steep, but it’s no worse than Clay and Sacramento streets which the 1 California travels daily with very short headways. Electric trolleybuses are much better on hills than diesels (more torque).

Whether they can overcome NIMBYs, that’s another story.

]]> By: Jeffrey W. Baker http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5802 Jeffrey W. Baker Wed, 27 May 2009 23:21:41 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5802 Susan as I'm sure you're aware the BX often skips the Fillmore pickup because it's already packed, and the TEP adds a pickup at Van Ness. Perhaps moving the AX/BX demarcation is intended to free up capacity on the BX so it's not crush loaded at Fillmore. Susan as I’m sure you’re aware the BX often skips the Fillmore pickup because it’s already packed, and the TEP adds a pickup at Van Ness. Perhaps moving the AX/BX demarcation is intended to free up capacity on the BX so it’s not crush loaded at Fillmore.

]]> By: susan http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5801 susan Wed, 27 May 2009 22:31:39 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5801 Interesting 1ax/bx thoughts - I get on the BX at 8th - the ax's go by solidly packed already, I'm not sure where they think they'll put the people that currently ride the bx? Interesting 1ax/bx thoughts – I get on the BX at 8th – the ax’s go by solidly packed already, I’m not sure where they think they’ll put the people that currently ride the bx?

]]> By: Jamison Wieser http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5784 Jamison Wieser Wed, 27 May 2009 03:03:05 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5784 As explained to me, declaring a fiscal crisis gave the SFMTA some breathing room to make service changes without environmental study, but they can't just use it as a pretense to implement the entire TEP. Adjustments to service on lines like the 5 or 14 might be alright where adding the new 5L or that 6 extension might be going to far and get them into murky legal waters. Last month, stop consolidation work was already underway, but it was going to be several months still before it was ready. As explained to me, declaring a fiscal crisis gave the SFMTA some breathing room to make service changes without environmental study, but they can’t just use it as a pretense to implement the entire TEP. Adjustments to service on lines like the 5 or 14 might be alright where adding the new 5L or that 6 extension might be going to far and get them into murky legal waters.

Last month, stop consolidation work was already underway, but it was going to be several months still before it was ready.

]]> By: jim http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5783 jim Wed, 27 May 2009 02:21:45 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5783 A good start. Now if we could only get Nat to enhance service by consolidating stops and enforcing bus lanes we could improve service systemwide. In addition to extending the 10 bus to General Hospital they should cut the number of stops on it. There is no reason it needs to stop 6 times on the 1 mile distance between Levis Plaza and Market. A good start. Now if we could only get Nat to enhance service by consolidating stops and enforcing bus lanes we could improve service systemwide.

In addition to extending the 10 bus to General Hospital they should cut the number of stops on it. There is no reason it needs to stop 6 times on the 1 mile distance between Levis Plaza and Market.

]]> By: Jeffrey W. Baker http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5782 Jeffrey W. Baker Wed, 27 May 2009 01:55:04 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5782 Is it even possible to extend the 6 to West Portal? Where the 6 terminates now is on the north side of a hill that's very steep on the south side (there are three sets of stairs that get you down from the top of that hill to West Portal). I'd be surprised if it was technically feasible or that you could somehow get it past the people who live on Forest Hill. Is it even possible to extend the 6 to West Portal? Where the 6 terminates now is on the north side of a hill that’s very steep on the south side (there are three sets of stairs that get you down from the top of that hill to West Portal). I’d be surprised if it was technically feasible or that you could somehow get it past the people who live on Forest Hill.

]]> By: theo http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5777 theo Wed, 27 May 2009 00:02:43 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5777 A small correction: I didn't realize the original "Service Reductions" package (http://www.sfmta.com/cms/rbudget2010/budgservice.htm) retained a small number of service enhancements from the TEP. Including more service on the 5 and 6 and 71 during peak hours to make up for the elimination of the peak-hour 7-Haight. The original point is still valid: the level of service on the important Haight corridor isn't increasing, unlike Mission and Geary. A small correction: I didn’t realize the original “Service Reductions” package (http://www.sfmta.com/cms/rbudget2010/budgservice.htm) retained a small number of service enhancements from the TEP.

Including more service on the 5 and 6 and 71 during peak hours to make up for the elimination of the peak-hour 7-Haight.

The original point is still valid: the level of service on the important Haight corridor isn’t increasing, unlike Mission and Geary.

]]> By: John Murphy http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5776 John Murphy Wed, 27 May 2009 00:02:23 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5776 enhance the J - I will believe it when I see it. enhance the J – I will believe it when I see it.

]]> By: theo http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/05/26/muni-releases-list-of-service-enhancements-as-supes-near-rejection-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5774 theo Tue, 26 May 2009 23:54:15 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=2248#comment-5774 The other TEP shoe drops. Whoever said it was just a package of cuts was wrong, wrong, wrong. :) I like the 14 Mission and 38 Geary and 9 San Bruno components of the proposal, which align with the TEP aim of strengthening the rapid network (good policy and good politics, as it connects all the districts). But the Haight/Western Addition area, District 5, is getting bupkis. The TEP proposed a 5L express service, more service on the 71, and extending the 6 to West Portal. None of that is on this plan, although the 5 will get slightly shorter waits. The other TEP shoe drops. Whoever said it was just a package of cuts was wrong, wrong, wrong. :)

I like the 14 Mission and 38 Geary and 9 San Bruno components of the proposal, which align with the TEP aim of strengthening the rapid network (good policy and good politics, as it connects all the districts).

But the Haight/Western Addition area, District 5, is getting bupkis. The TEP proposed a 5L express service, more service on the 71, and extending the 6 to West Portal. None of that is on this plan, although the 5 will get slightly shorter waits.

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