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	<title>Comments on: Mission Merchants Approve of Sunday Streets</title>
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		<title>By: taomom</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/06/09/mission-merchants-approve-of-sunday-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-6148</link>
		<dc:creator>taomom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that Sunday Streets is tremendous value to the taxpayer. Though I like street fairs, music festivals, and parades, Sunday Streets is different in important ways.  For whatever the nominal investment we get:
1)  People coming together as fellow citizens and neighbors, not as fellow consumers (street fairs).
2)  People experiencing their community actively rather than passively (watching parades, music festivals).

We also get:  
1)  People having positive encounters with the police force, which builds trust and community.
2)  People realizing just how darn nice and quiet it is without cars!
3)  Visual confirmation that we are all in this together, that the streets really do belong to us, and that joy and satisfaction can be found in things that are very, very simple.

We will shortly be glad for every ounce of community and shared sense of responsibility for each other&#039;s welfare that we are able to create.  Think of this as invisible social infrastructure.  The investment is small, the payout possibly priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that Sunday Streets is tremendous value to the taxpayer. Though I like street fairs, music festivals, and parades, Sunday Streets is different in important ways.  For whatever the nominal investment we get:<br />
1)  People coming together as fellow citizens and neighbors, not as fellow consumers (street fairs).<br />
2)  People experiencing their community actively rather than passively (watching parades, music festivals).</p>
<p>We also get:<br />
1)  People having positive encounters with the police force, which builds trust and community.<br />
2)  People realizing just how darn nice and quiet it is without cars!<br />
3)  Visual confirmation that we are all in this together, that the streets really do belong to us, and that joy and satisfaction can be found in things that are very, very simple.</p>
<p>We will shortly be glad for every ounce of community and shared sense of responsibility for each other's welfare that we are able to create.  Think of this as invisible social infrastructure.  The investment is small, the payout possibly priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: CBrinkman</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/06/09/mission-merchants-approve-of-sunday-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-6147</link>
		<dc:creator>CBrinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How much is it costing Tax payers to close these streets temporarily? 150K+ per event?&quot;

I&#039;m not sure where that number came from, but it&#039;s not valid at all - way too high.  Sunday Streets raised the money for the past 3 events from a combination of corporate partners and individual donors. Other then support from City Hall departments during the organizing process - thank you MTA, Shape UP, Mayors Office, Mayor&#039;s Office of Neighborhood Services - the actual costs of the events - Police and Parking Control Officers, will be paid with the money raised.

It&#039;s interesting how little we question the regular day to day costs of facilitating car access in our City - and how quickly an event such as this can be tarred with the &quot;waste of taxpayer money&quot; brush. How much would the City save every year if we reduced the speed limit to 20 and decreased traffic crashes and injuries and deaths - I think traffic crashes are a waste of tax payer money.  I think Sunday Streets deserves greater support from the City since it benefits the City in so many ways. 

Bring your children out on July 19th - they will love it. If you don&#039;t like walking in the street - remember, the sidewalks are still there and the merchants were all reminded to keep a 48 inch wide path of travel clear at all times. Again, thanks for sharing the streets.  San Franciscans are wonderful people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"How much is it costing Tax payers to close these streets temporarily? 150K+ per event?"</p>
<p>I'm not sure where that number came from, but it's not valid at all - way too high.  Sunday Streets raised the money for the past 3 events from a combination of corporate partners and individual donors. Other then support from City Hall departments during the organizing process - thank you MTA, Shape UP, Mayors Office, Mayor's Office of Neighborhood Services - the actual costs of the events - Police and Parking Control Officers, will be paid with the money raised.</p>
<p>It's interesting how little we question the regular day to day costs of facilitating car access in our City - and how quickly an event such as this can be tarred with the "waste of taxpayer money" brush. How much would the City save every year if we reduced the speed limit to 20 and decreased traffic crashes and injuries and deaths - I think traffic crashes are a waste of tax payer money.  I think Sunday Streets deserves greater support from the City since it benefits the City in so many ways. </p>
<p>Bring your children out on July 19th - they will love it. If you don't like walking in the street - remember, the sidewalks are still there and the merchants were all reminded to keep a 48 inch wide path of travel clear at all times. Again, thanks for sharing the streets.  San Franciscans are wonderful people.</p>
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		<title>By: Wai Yip Tung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wai Yip Tung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helo Meghan,

It is not safe to keep one lane open to traffic. Because there is no physical separation, it is not possible to contain people from overflowing into the traffic lane. Also there is really no need for this arrangement. The adjacent streets are open to traffic. Cars are much better off there.



Hello Maria,

I hope you will bring you children next time. There were lots of happy people and happy children last Sunday. It actually have a different vibe from other street festival. Maybe it is the freedom or spontaneity or simply because of the presence of so many people seeking simple fun. As far as cost is concerned, I heard that corporate sponsors bore most of the cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helo Meghan,</p>
<p>It is not safe to keep one lane open to traffic. Because there is no physical separation, it is not possible to contain people from overflowing into the traffic lane. Also there is really no need for this arrangement. The adjacent streets are open to traffic. Cars are much better off there.</p>
<p>Hello Maria,</p>
<p>I hope you will bring you children next time. There were lots of happy people and happy children last Sunday. It actually have a different vibe from other street festival. Maybe it is the freedom or spontaneity or simply because of the presence of so many people seeking simple fun. As far as cost is concerned, I heard that corporate sponsors bore most of the cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Meghan Newell</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/06/09/mission-merchants-approve-of-sunday-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-6136</link>
		<dc:creator>Meghan Newell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a resident on 18th and Valencia, I very much enjoy the concept of sunday streets, but I would prefer a bit more regulation.  It would be nice if one section of the street (either bike lane or the inside parts of the car lanes) were left to through traffic.   It would even be an improvement if people stayed on the right as they went in a given direction.  

I had to get from 18th to 24th st for a yoga class, and I found it very dangerous to be dodging pedestrians and bikes in a free for all.  

Parks maintain both a free for all and some structure with marked bike paths, sidewalks, and grass.  It seems like that could be an example for the car free streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a resident on 18th and Valencia, I very much enjoy the concept of sunday streets, but I would prefer a bit more regulation.  It would be nice if one section of the street (either bike lane or the inside parts of the car lanes) were left to through traffic.   It would even be an improvement if people stayed on the right as they went in a given direction.  </p>
<p>I had to get from 18th to 24th st for a yoga class, and I found it very dangerous to be dodging pedestrians and bikes in a free for all.  </p>
<p>Parks maintain both a free for all and some structure with marked bike paths, sidewalks, and grass.  It seems like that could be an example for the car free streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much is it costing Tax payers to close these streets temporarily? 150K+ per event?  Can we use this money to make permanent infrastructure repairs to existing parks and open space areas.  Does San Francisco not have enough Street Fairs/Music Festivals to build community?  I&#039;m a walker not a bike Rider and I would not bring my children to this event.  It should be marketed for what it is, another Bike event!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much is it costing Tax payers to close these streets temporarily? 150K+ per event?  Can we use this money to make permanent infrastructure repairs to existing parks and open space areas.  Does San Francisco not have enough Street Fairs/Music Festivals to build community?  I'm a walker not a bike Rider and I would not bring my children to this event.  It should be marketed for what it is, another Bike event!</p>
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		<title>By: ZA</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/06/09/mission-merchants-approve-of-sunday-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-6121</link>
		<dc:creator>ZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Justin - she&#039;s entitled to her view, however right or wrong it may be. She may not want to seem too successful from a one day event either. For my part, I prefer the bakery a bit further down 24th St.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Justin - she's entitled to her view, however right or wrong it may be. She may not want to seem too successful from a one day event either. For my part, I prefer the bakery a bit further down 24th St.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously there could be some negative effect on businesses along an &#039;open-streets&#039; route, but I find it difficult to believe Ms. Gutierrez&#039;s contentions that her urban bakery with only on-street parking was so sourly affected by the street opening.  

According to her, her regular shoppers were inconvenienced (by not being able to park on 24th St?  it&#039;s always hard to park on that street, and there&#039;s tons of side street parking nearby); by the hordes of people walking the street?  (seems unlikely, and I have to imagine that most of the bakery&#039;s customers, even those buying baked goods for a week, walk or muni in rather than drive); without hearing more about such reasons, the anecdotal account of this business owner seems a bit fishy and like a preconceived prejudice rather than an account of what actually occurred.  Am I assuming too much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously there could be some negative effect on businesses along an 'open-streets' route, but I find it difficult to believe Ms. Gutierrez's contentions that her urban bakery with only on-street parking was so sourly affected by the street opening.  </p>
<p>According to her, her regular shoppers were inconvenienced (by not being able to park on 24th St?  it's always hard to park on that street, and there's tons of side street parking nearby); by the hordes of people walking the street?  (seems unlikely, and I have to imagine that most of the bakery's customers, even those buying baked goods for a week, walk or muni in rather than drive); without hearing more about such reasons, the anecdotal account of this business owner seems a bit fishy and like a preconceived prejudice rather than an account of what actually occurred.  Am I assuming too much?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey W. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey W. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went in Dema for the first time this Sunday.  Funny what you don&#039;t notice when you pass buy on the bus or on bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went in Dema for the first time this Sunday.  Funny what you don't notice when you pass buy on the bus or on bike.</p>
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		<title>By: gs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every business is not going to be affected in the same way. in the aggregate, it was a major boon to business. a few lose out, but the majority improve, making it a net benefit for business. but, as Mr Faddoul and the guy from Lost Weekend point out, it&#039;s not just about whether your cash register took in more money on that one day -- the benefits can be long term and more lasting in that new people have been introduced to your business and familiar with the neighborhood and are more likely to come back repeatedly in the long term. that attitude is refreshing, because it always seems like business owners think so short term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every business is not going to be affected in the same way. in the aggregate, it was a major boon to business. a few lose out, but the majority improve, making it a net benefit for business. but, as Mr Faddoul and the guy from Lost Weekend point out, it's not just about whether your cash register took in more money on that one day -- the benefits can be long term and more lasting in that new people have been introduced to your business and familiar with the neighborhood and are more likely to come back repeatedly in the long term. that attitude is refreshing, because it always seems like business owners think so short term.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Gutierrez needs to take a lesson from Mr. Faddoul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Gutierrez needs to take a lesson from Mr. Faddoul.</p>
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		<title>By: greasybear</title>
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		<dc:creator>greasybear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The merchants have it right--extend Sunday Streets to 4pm, and make it happen more often during the dry months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The merchants have it right--extend Sunday Streets to 4pm, and make it happen more often during the dry months.</p>
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