Comments on: Residents Upset Over Outer Richmond Muni Service Cuts

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:10:26 +0000

BART owns the subway fom Embarcadero to Castro station. The only subway station Muni owns is Forest Hill. So whatever BART wants to do with the subway goes. This is also the reason why MUNI doesn’t start running train service into the subway until BART starts its service.

By: theo

theo — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:43:13 +0000

When you list the changes that way, they do seem to have concentrated impacts on the Richmond.

Viewed more realistically, they’re a combination of cuts (to the 5 and 31) and long-overdue redistribution of service to express lines (38L and 1X). A 17% increase to 38L service, which is already high frequency, is nothing to sneeze at.

It’s a shame the 28L plan from the TEP isn’t going to happen — that would offer the Richmond new connectivity that might actually change commute patterns.

By: Barna Mink

Barna Mink — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:20:20 +0000

Jeremiah: I’m not sure what you’re arguing for. Doing nothing?

Also, I would hardly call someone who lives in Richmond or Sunset, “far away”. This is really a tiny city, and the inability to provide efficient transit within the city is something to question.

By: Jeremiah Schaub

Jeremiah Schaub — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:41:51 +0000

What’s the difference between people living on 48th Ave, and people living in Brentwood or Gilroy? Everyone wants more transit options, but some are more cost effective than others. You live far away, so it takes longer to get to places.

By: Jamison Wieser

Jamison Wieser — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:21:27 +0000

For every BART ride made using a FastPass, Muni reimburses BART $1.02. It doesn’t take long for that to start adding up, but it was estimated to be lower than what it would cost Muni to have added additional service on the parallel Mission lines were all those passengers to stop taking BART and switch to Muni.

With both BART and Muni raising their fares, additional data about where riders are coming from and going to and the service changes that will increase service on Mission Street, that equation has changed.

Paying nothing is over course a better deal, but $10 is still much less than the $75 it would cost to commute daily each way on BART for one month.

By: Dave

Dave — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:26:31 +0000

It’s like Muni/The City is forcing people from the Inner Sunset and westward back into cars! Gavin Fail!

By: Jeffrey W. Baker

Jeffrey W. Baker — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:39:46 +0000

The Muni salary floor was supposed to be used to extract work rule concessions from the operators. Has this happened? I still see N operators leaving the terminal just before Caltrain arrives, three buses leaving the terminal at once, and so forth. I haven’t personally noticed a reduction in missed runs. As far as I can tell, the work rules are as dumb as ever.

By: John Murphy

John Murphy — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:34:47 +0000

I don’t know the history, someone can probably expound on this, but the underground MUNI in SF, is if I understand it, a tunnel that was originally supposed to be for BART – to Marin I assume.

My understanding is that MUNI pays BART when MUNI riders take BART.

By: mikesonn

mikesonn — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:08:26 +0000

Oh wow. That I did not know. So it is actually going to be $65 July 1st to get the same MUNI + BART?

Wasn’t BART allowed to use MUNI ROW in exchange for giving MUNI riders use of BART within SF city limits?

By: John Murphy

John Murphy — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:59:09 +0000

2 passes. The no-BART pass, and the MUNI+SFBART pass which is $10 extra. Used to be zero dollars extra.

By: mikesonn

mikesonn — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:46:52 +0000

“and the new Fast Passes will no longer be BART-enabled. Richmond residents who take buses downtown and then transfer to BART to go to the Mission District or beyond will now have to pay an extra $10 for a pass that will also work on BART within the City.”

So can you use it on BART or not? Or does BART-enabled only mean you can add fare to it?