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	<title>Comments on: Bicyclist, Young Son Injured in Hit-and-Run Crash on Valencia Street</title>
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		<title>By: Evilkneil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evilkneil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren ladd. Why do you think the the driver gets the blame no matter what the facts may be? None of us know the answer either. Ya know why? Cuz that&#039;s a paranoid sociopathic crock with no basis in the stubborn facts.  Wow!  Mystery solved! Could you please focus your keen logic on why you would comment on a page where people are offering sympathy and support to a man and his family who suffered a traumatic accident and debilitating injury and attempting to get to the bottom of what caused it, and attack him? I mean for someone whose accusing everyone else for being so knee-jerk you&#039;ve elected Andrew spokesman for the kill the drivers association. Here&#039;s another fact for ya Lauren: Andrew drives a car too! I know! You must be so confused! One last fact that might just cause your carefully constructed persecution complex to come unglued: Andrew ain&#039;t no politically correct earth lover. The fact that yousaid this indicates that you know nothing about him. Which means you make assumptions about strangers that you&#039;ve never met no matter what the facts may be. Which makes you a hypocrite. What kind of freak reads a page full of kindness and support for someone they&#039;ve never met and gets angry and jealous? Get a bike and get some exercise. Maybe it&#039;ll make less weird and bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren ladd. Why do you think the the driver gets the blame no matter what the facts may be? None of us know the answer either. Ya know why? Cuz that's a paranoid sociopathic crock with no basis in the stubborn facts.  Wow!  Mystery solved! Could you please focus your keen logic on why you would comment on a page where people are offering sympathy and support to a man and his family who suffered a traumatic accident and debilitating injury and attempting to get to the bottom of what caused it, and attack him? I mean for someone whose accusing everyone else for being so knee-jerk you've elected Andrew spokesman for the kill the drivers association. Here's another fact for ya Lauren: Andrew drives a car too! I know! You must be so confused! One last fact that might just cause your carefully constructed persecution complex to come unglued: Andrew ain't no politically correct earth lover. The fact that yousaid this indicates that you know nothing about him. Which means you make assumptions about strangers that you've never met no matter what the facts may be. Which makes you a hypocrite. What kind of freak reads a page full of kindness and support for someone they've never met and gets angry and jealous? Get a bike and get some exercise. Maybe it'll make less weird and bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Goebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Goebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all who commented, there was an arrest made today in the case. See the update here: http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/06/bicyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run-grateful-following-arrest/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all who commented, there was an arrest made today in the case. See the update here: <a href="http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/06/bicyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run-grateful-following-arrest/" rel="nofollow">http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/06/bicyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run-grateful-following-arrest/</a></p>
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		<title>By: over it</title>
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		<dc:creator>over it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it when cyclists run red lights (don&#039;t say they don&#039;t I work on Market Street &amp; as a pedestrian I have been hit once &amp; been nearly hit too many times to count while in the crosswalk with the right of way) and they keep going nobody is outraged. While this story is sad I believe since under the law cyclists are considered vehicles in California that the standards should be equally enforced. Stay in your lanes &amp; please look for other traffic before making your move; a little time and caution can save your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it when cyclists run red lights (don't say they don't I work on Market Street &amp; as a pedestrian I have been hit once &amp; been nearly hit too many times to count while in the crosswalk with the right of way) and they keep going nobody is outraged. While this story is sad I believe since under the law cyclists are considered vehicles in California that the standards should be equally enforced. Stay in your lanes &amp; please look for other traffic before making your move; a little time and caution can save your life.</p>
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		<title>By: TedRe123</title>
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		<dc:creator>TedRe123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to ride Market St every day, and got really frustrated with cars constantly running red lights. Why aren&#039;t the police busting these people? Every day, and every red light, you could guarantee about 2 to 3 cars per change would run the red in order to not have to wait for the next set.
Until the police take enforcement seriously in San Francisco you should expect this kind of dangerous driving in the city, and beware when starting off on a green light.
This in no way excuses someone from failing to stop at an accident. That police give this criminal low priority until people complain is really beyond me.
Best wishes to you from Sydney, Aust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to ride Market St every day, and got really frustrated with cars constantly running red lights. Why aren't the police busting these people? Every day, and every red light, you could guarantee about 2 to 3 cars per change would run the red in order to not have to wait for the next set.<br />
Until the police take enforcement seriously in San Francisco you should expect this kind of dangerous driving in the city, and beware when starting off on a green light.<br />
This in no way excuses someone from failing to stop at an accident. That police give this criminal low priority until people complain is really beyond me.<br />
Best wishes to you from Sydney, Aust.</p>
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		<title>By: JStevenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JStevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:

This morning on my way to work, I saw a latina woman driving a Silver PT Cruiser in the financial district who looked to be in her 30s.  The first 3 characters in her license plate were &quot;HY5&quot;, and she had a Gilroy Dealership license plate cover on it.</description>
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<p>This morning on my way to work, I saw a latina woman driving a Silver PT Cruiser in the financial district who looked to be in her 30s.  The first 3 characters in her license plate were "HY5", and she had a Gilroy Dealership license plate cover on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my biggest fear.  Being hit by a driver &#039;trying to make that light&#039; and not concerned about who might be in the intersection.

I just wonder how hard it can possibly be to find a car that has the letters KAY and a &#039;heart shape&#039; on the license plate?  

How many could there possibly be in San Francisco...or the Bay Area for that matter?  Don&#039;t the SFPD have access to a data base that can pull up this information?

The &#039;difficulty&#039; in finding this vehicle and the woman that drove it sends a message to me as a bicyclist that the SFPD cares very little about crimes against bicyclists and their safety.

I think I may have had an encounter with this car over a month ago, on 25th Street at Treat.  But it was a mini van driven by a woman that passed me within inches just so she could get to a stop sign before me.  I was fortunate that she didn&#039;t hit me. But it was very scary.

My thoughts are with the family as they go through this dramatic change in their life.

One more thing...

JSmith&#039;s comments are completely inconsiderate and singularly focused.
The driver did not yield to the traffic PERIOD!!
Instead she hit a bicyclist and left the scene.  This sort of &#039;aggressive driving&#039; behavior is what gets people hurt, whether that person is walking, biking or driving in their car.
If aggressive drivers had their cars impounded and were given a bicycle instead, then things would change rather quickly on our city streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my biggest fear.  Being hit by a driver 'trying to make that light' and not concerned about who might be in the intersection.</p>
<p>I just wonder how hard it can possibly be to find a car that has the letters KAY and a 'heart shape' on the license plate?  </p>
<p>How many could there possibly be in San Francisco...or the Bay Area for that matter?  Don't the SFPD have access to a data base that can pull up this information?</p>
<p>The 'difficulty' in finding this vehicle and the woman that drove it sends a message to me as a bicyclist that the SFPD cares very little about crimes against bicyclists and their safety.</p>
<p>I think I may have had an encounter with this car over a month ago, on 25th Street at Treat.  But it was a mini van driven by a woman that passed me within inches just so she could get to a stop sign before me.  I was fortunate that she didn't hit me. But it was very scary.</p>
<p>My thoughts are with the family as they go through this dramatic change in their life.</p>
<p>One more thing...</p>
<p>JSmith's comments are completely inconsiderate and singularly focused.<br />
The driver did not yield to the traffic PERIOD!!<br />
Instead she hit a bicyclist and left the scene.  This sort of 'aggressive driving' behavior is what gets people hurt, whether that person is walking, biking or driving in their car.<br />
If aggressive drivers had their cars impounded and were given a bicycle instead, then things would change rather quickly on our city streets.</p>
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		<title>By: John Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My LTTE on this topic was published today.

http://holierthanyou.blogspot.com/2009/07/andrew-bennett.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My LTTE on this topic was published today.</p>
<p><a href="http://holierthanyou.blogspot.com/2009/07/andrew-bennett.html" rel="nofollow">http://holierthanyou.blogspot.com/2009/07/andrew-bennett.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barna Mink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barna Mink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my, let&#039;s have a discussion about &quot;what is reality&quot; and how nobody can prove anything really. Before long I will be convinced that I am in fact not typing these words right now.

Here&#039;s a question for you then: if indeed there is merit to the driver&#039;s side, then why is she not stepping forward and telling her side? Why is she laying low? The deafening silence from her is almost as good as a guilty plea, as far as I&#039;m concerned.

Ya know, it&#039;s hard to claim the position of the unbiased, dispassionate seeker of truth, when you just made a quite bigoted statement about the &quot;smiling, earth-loving, political correct father with tiny children strapped on his bike&quot; who always gets his way. Just to remind you, that smiling, earth-loving guy is the one who got his back broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, let's have a discussion about "what is reality" and how nobody can prove anything really. Before long I will be convinced that I am in fact not typing these words right now.</p>
<p>Here's a question for you then: if indeed there is merit to the driver's side, then why is she not stepping forward and telling her side? Why is she laying low? The deafening silence from her is almost as good as a guilty plea, as far as I'm concerned.</p>
<p>Ya know, it's hard to claim the position of the unbiased, dispassionate seeker of truth, when you just made a quite bigoted statement about the "smiling, earth-loving, political correct father with tiny children strapped on his bike" who always gets his way. Just to remind you, that smiling, earth-loving guy is the one who got his back broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren S. Ladd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren S. Ladd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes, Occam&#039;s Razor -- the appeal to simplicity when competing theories vie for validation.  The principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates while still sufficiently answering the question

However, on many occasions Occam&#039;s razor has stifled or delayed scientific progress.  For example, appeals to simplicity were used to deny the phenomena of meteorites, ball lightning, continental drift. It originally rejected DNA as the carrier of genetic information in favor of proteins, since proteins provided the simpler explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, Occam's Razor -- the appeal to simplicity when competing theories vie for validation.  The principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates while still sufficiently answering the question</p>
<p>However, on many occasions Occam's razor has stifled or delayed scientific progress.  For example, appeals to simplicity were used to deny the phenomena of meteorites, ball lightning, continental drift. It originally rejected DNA as the carrier of genetic information in favor of proteins, since proteins provided the simpler explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: SfResident</title>
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		<dc:creator>SfResident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lauren - I suppose it&#039;s *possible* that the driver was acting legally and that the victims and multiple independent witnesses were all, to a one, mistaken about what happened. And I suppose that it&#039;s also *possible* that the driver didn&#039;t notice that she had hit an object that weighs hundreds of pounds and usually ends up damaging one&#039;s car. But this is a situation where occam&#039;s razor speaks pretty strongly and forcefully towards one conclusion...

I&#039;d love to hear her side of the story. I think all of us would. But until that happens (yeah, right) we have to base our advocacy and opinions on the set of facts available to us. That set of facts strongly supports concluding that Andrew and his children were victims. To presume that acting on these facts is some sort of slippery-slope to vigilantism is beyond absurd. Nobody is advocating going out and beating up this person - we&#039;re advocating finding out who/where she is so that she can be turned into the police.  

Perhaps if she weren&#039;t in the wrong the driver would just come forward and just clear things right up... I wonder why she isn&#039;t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lauren - I suppose it's *possible* that the driver was acting legally and that the victims and multiple independent witnesses were all, to a one, mistaken about what happened. And I suppose that it's also *possible* that the driver didn't notice that she had hit an object that weighs hundreds of pounds and usually ends up damaging one's car. But this is a situation where occam's razor speaks pretty strongly and forcefully towards one conclusion...</p>
<p>I'd love to hear her side of the story. I think all of us would. But until that happens (yeah, right) we have to base our advocacy and opinions on the set of facts available to us. That set of facts strongly supports concluding that Andrew and his children were victims. To presume that acting on these facts is some sort of slippery-slope to vigilantism is beyond absurd. Nobody is advocating going out and beating up this person - we're advocating finding out who/where she is so that she can be turned into the police.  </p>
<p>Perhaps if she weren't in the wrong the driver would just come forward and just clear things right up... I wonder why she isn't...</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren S. Ladd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren S. Ladd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SfResident --

&quot;Lauren, you are aware that the driver in this incident ran through a red light? Apparently it wasn&#039;t even a &quot;speed up for a yellow&quot; borderline kind of situation. Independent witnesses saw this happen. This isn&#039;t a case of &#039;well, perhaps the facts aren&#039;t all in...&quot; the driver is clearly at fault. Unless you&#039;re an emergency vehicle running code there is no excuse for running a red light.&quot;

The answer to your question is: no, I&#039;m not aware. And, quite frankly,  I would caution that neither should you be, for that matter.  And it&#039;s your degree of certitude that I find so troublesome.  Certainly you&#039;re entitled to your opinion, but to couch hearsay as hard facts is wrong.  As John Adams said, &quot;Facts are stubborn things.&quot;

True, the press has reported the assertions of independent wittnesses that the accident unfolded exactly as you say, but until all sides are heard, and all the facts are presented and parsed neither you nor I should draw any inferences.   This is why we have courts and operate uder the rule of law.  What I infer from your post that you are satisfied that all the facts are in.  If we follow your logic than reductively there is no need to ajudicate this matter.  Rather, we can impute fault through a kind of warm and fuzzy concensus, and collectively assume the role of judge, jury and  executioner.  This is the rocky road to vigilantism.

To your point that &quot;lack of ambiguity&quot; is the reason this matter has gotten so much press: not true, the degree of press coverage is directly proportionate to tragic nature of the occurrence; the lack of certainty regarding the identity of the other party involved; and the urgent need to locate the other party, decide the facts and administer justice. 

Finally, I like bikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SfResident --</p>
<p>"Lauren, you are aware that the driver in this incident ran through a red light? Apparently it wasn't even a "speed up for a yellow" borderline kind of situation. Independent witnesses saw this happen. This isn't a case of 'well, perhaps the facts aren't all in..." the driver is clearly at fault. Unless you're an emergency vehicle running code there is no excuse for running a red light."</p>
<p>The answer to your question is: no, I'm not aware. And, quite frankly,  I would caution that neither should you be, for that matter.  And it's your degree of certitude that I find so troublesome.  Certainly you're entitled to your opinion, but to couch hearsay as hard facts is wrong.  As John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things."</p>
<p>True, the press has reported the assertions of independent wittnesses that the accident unfolded exactly as you say, but until all sides are heard, and all the facts are presented and parsed neither you nor I should draw any inferences.   This is why we have courts and operate uder the rule of law.  What I infer from your post that you are satisfied that all the facts are in.  If we follow your logic than reductively there is no need to ajudicate this matter.  Rather, we can impute fault through a kind of warm and fuzzy concensus, and collectively assume the role of judge, jury and  executioner.  This is the rocky road to vigilantism.</p>
<p>To your point that "lack of ambiguity" is the reason this matter has gotten so much press: not true, the degree of press coverage is directly proportionate to tragic nature of the occurrence; the lack of certainty regarding the identity of the other party involved; and the urgent need to locate the other party, decide the facts and administer justice. </p>
<p>Finally, I like bikes!</p>
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		<title>By: SfResident</title>
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		<dc:creator>SfResident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren, you are aware that the driver in this incident ran through a red light? Apparently it wasn&#039;t even a &quot;speed up for a yellow&quot; borderline kind of situation. Independent witnesses saw this happen. This isn&#039;t a case of &#039;well, perhaps the facts aren&#039;t all in...&quot; the driver is clearly at fault. Unless you&#039;re an emergency vehicle running code there is no excuse for running a red light.  

A man on a bicycle is not a fly - any time you hit something that big in a car you *will* notice. It will make a loud sound and almost certainly damage your car.

There are plenty of traffic cases where the facts are ambiguous and plenty of traffic cases where the bicyclist or pedestrian is at fault. This is not one of them and the lack of ambiguity is why it&#039;s gotten so much more press than most &quot;accidents.&quot;

As for the &quot;smiling, earth-loving, political correct father with tiny children strapped on his bike&quot; (and an aside, what&#039;s up with the condescension from drivers towards cyclists?). Had he plowed through a red-light at full-speed and been hit by a car that had the green then we&#039;d all be up in arms about how irresponsible and reckless the guy is.

I&#039;m no bicyclist, but reading the various comments from this thread and others about this incident has given me a hell of a lot more sympathy for those of you who go out every day and face such an amazing amount of suspicion and hostility simply for using a legal and healthy form of transit. A lot of people out there really need to work through their cultural hostility towards bicyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren, you are aware that the driver in this incident ran through a red light? Apparently it wasn't even a "speed up for a yellow" borderline kind of situation. Independent witnesses saw this happen. This isn't a case of 'well, perhaps the facts aren't all in..." the driver is clearly at fault. Unless you're an emergency vehicle running code there is no excuse for running a red light.  </p>
<p>A man on a bicycle is not a fly - any time you hit something that big in a car you *will* notice. It will make a loud sound and almost certainly damage your car.</p>
<p>There are plenty of traffic cases where the facts are ambiguous and plenty of traffic cases where the bicyclist or pedestrian is at fault. This is not one of them and the lack of ambiguity is why it's gotten so much more press than most "accidents."</p>
<p>As for the "smiling, earth-loving, political correct father with tiny children strapped on his bike" (and an aside, what's up with the condescension from drivers towards cyclists?). Had he plowed through a red-light at full-speed and been hit by a car that had the green then we'd all be up in arms about how irresponsible and reckless the guy is.</p>
<p>I'm no bicyclist, but reading the various comments from this thread and others about this incident has given me a hell of a lot more sympathy for those of you who go out every day and face such an amazing amount of suspicion and hostility simply for using a legal and healthy form of transit. A lot of people out there really need to work through their cultural hostility towards bicyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are you &quot;not aware&quot; of hitting someone to the extent that you break their back?

Don&#039;t you think there is at least a dent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are you "not aware" of hitting someone to the extent that you break their back?</p>
<p>Don't you think there is at least a dent?</p>
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		<title>By: Oak Native</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oak Native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSmith,

Just to pile on - I&#039;d hate to live in a world where children don&#039;t have safe access to the street until driving age, or that they must remain (unsafely) tethered to the backseat of a car.  Children&#039;s health and nascent autonomy are inextricably tied to safe walking and biking.  We need to childproof the world, not worldproof the child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSmith,</p>
<p>Just to pile on - I'd hate to live in a world where children don't have safe access to the street until driving age, or that they must remain (unsafely) tethered to the backseat of a car.  Children's health and nascent autonomy are inextricably tied to safe walking and biking.  We need to childproof the world, not worldproof the child.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren S. Ladd</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/bicyclist-young-son-injured-in-hit-and-run-crash-on-valencia-street/comment-page-1/#comment-13201</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren S. Ladd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigger Dummy -- I don&#039;t dispute whatsoever your point that there is no excuse for a &quot;hit &amp; run,&quot; irrespective of vehicle type.  That&#039;s irrefutable.    My point is merely that no one should pre-judge this tragic &quot;accident&quot; based on circumstantial evidence.  We have only one-side of the story at this point.  No question it is a very compelling renditon of the facts.  And no one in their right mind wants to see anyone, let alone a child, injured or put in harm&#039;s way. 

Nevertheless, I ask only that you and others take a step back and grant, (without my endeavoring to become an apologist for the driver, who may, indeed, be at fault)  that it is concievable that the driver may not have been aware that she struck Andrew and his son. It may not have been intentional.  She may or may not have consciously &quot;hit and run&#039; -- that&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigger Dummy -- I don't dispute whatsoever your point that there is no excuse for a "hit &amp; run," irrespective of vehicle type.  That's irrefutable.    My point is merely that no one should pre-judge this tragic "accident" based on circumstantial evidence.  We have only one-side of the story at this point.  No question it is a very compelling renditon of the facts.  And no one in their right mind wants to see anyone, let alone a child, injured or put in harm's way. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, I ask only that you and others take a step back and grant, (without my endeavoring to become an apologist for the driver, who may, indeed, be at fault)  that it is concievable that the driver may not have been aware that she struck Andrew and his son. It may not have been intentional.  She may or may not have consciously "hit and run' -- that's all I'm saying.</p>
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		<title>By: BiggerDummy</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/bicyclist-young-son-injured-in-hit-and-run-crash-on-valencia-street/comment-page-1/#comment-13031</link>
		<dc:creator>BiggerDummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts go out to Andrew and his son.  As a father of two in Canada I often use my Xtracycle or trailer to transport my kids and this incident is my worst nightmare.
 
JSmith - your comments are heartless and misinformed and reflect the typical North American bias that anyone not driving a car or truck should stay off the road.  Re-read your local traffic laws - bikes belong.

Lauren - ignore the fact that the victims were on a bike - there is absolutely no excuse for anyone to hit &amp; run anyone regardless of the other party&#039;s choice of vehicle.  What makes it worse is that one victim is a child and his father was left with a broken back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts go out to Andrew and his son.  As a father of two in Canada I often use my Xtracycle or trailer to transport my kids and this incident is my worst nightmare.</p>
<p>JSmith - your comments are heartless and misinformed and reflect the typical North American bias that anyone not driving a car or truck should stay off the road.  Re-read your local traffic laws - bikes belong.</p>
<p>Lauren - ignore the fact that the victims were on a bike - there is absolutely no excuse for anyone to hit &amp; run anyone regardless of the other party's choice of vehicle.  What makes it worse is that one victim is a child and his father was left with a broken back.</p>
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		<title>By: Stagewright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stagewright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, best wishes for a speedy recovery.  JSmith your ignorance is astounding.  So let me get this straight... a parent should keep their kids at home when exercising or going to the store?  Kids shouldn&#039;t be allowed to experience fresh air, or the wind in their face? Why not lock them in a closet?  Accessories?  Good God man; they are little human beings who have every right to ride safely in peace without being mowed over by someone late to a hair appointment.  I&#039;ll bet you strap your kids into your SUV every day, just to go to the store down the street!  
Let&#039;s remember the real crime here.  A mistake was made.  That is unfortunate, but s**t happens.  But to leave the scene, not taking responsibility or offering to help?  That is a crime.  Find her and lock her up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, best wishes for a speedy recovery.  JSmith your ignorance is astounding.  So let me get this straight... a parent should keep their kids at home when exercising or going to the store?  Kids shouldn't be allowed to experience fresh air, or the wind in their face? Why not lock them in a closet?  Accessories?  Good God man; they are little human beings who have every right to ride safely in peace without being mowed over by someone late to a hair appointment.  I'll bet you strap your kids into your SUV every day, just to go to the store down the street!<br />
Let's remember the real crime here.  A mistake was made.  That is unfortunate, but s**t happens.  But to leave the scene, not taking responsibility or offering to help?  That is a crime.  Find her and lock her up!</p>
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		<title>By: thegreasybear</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/bicyclist-young-son-injured-in-hit-and-run-crash-on-valencia-street/comment-page-1/#comment-12511</link>
		<dc:creator>thegreasybear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one person is responsible for this crime and the injury and banktruptcy it brought to a law-abiding man and his child: the unapprehended felon motorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one person is responsible for this crime and the injury and banktruptcy it brought to a law-abiding man and his child: the unapprehended felon motorist.</p>
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		<title>By: murphstahoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>murphstahoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren - please find for us an example of a pedestrian or cyclist being at fault in a driver vs ped/cyclist collision where the pedestrian/cyclist community tried nonetheless to pin fault on the driver. You won&#039;t - because it doesn&#039;t happen. When a cyclist or pedestrian causes their own death or injuries, the sentiment from the community is grief and well-wishes, and frankly some sympathy for the driver.

Cyclists especially are very aware of their own screwups. The primary difference that builds the drama is that when the driver is at fault, they kill a pedestrian or a cyclist, when the pedestrian or a cyclist is at fault, they kill themselves. In a sane world, this dichotomy would lend itself to drivers taking their responsibility seriously. Instead, the knee-jerk reaction tends to be that cyclists and pedestrians should get on their asses - in the seat of a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren - please find for us an example of a pedestrian or cyclist being at fault in a driver vs ped/cyclist collision where the pedestrian/cyclist community tried nonetheless to pin fault on the driver. You won't - because it doesn't happen. When a cyclist or pedestrian causes their own death or injuries, the sentiment from the community is grief and well-wishes, and frankly some sympathy for the driver.</p>
<p>Cyclists especially are very aware of their own screwups. The primary difference that builds the drama is that when the driver is at fault, they kill a pedestrian or a cyclist, when the pedestrian or a cyclist is at fault, they kill themselves. In a sane world, this dichotomy would lend itself to drivers taking their responsibility seriously. Instead, the knee-jerk reaction tends to be that cyclists and pedestrians should get on their asses - in the seat of a car.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren S. Ladd</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/bicyclist-young-son-injured-in-hit-and-run-crash-on-valencia-street/comment-page-1/#comment-12451</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren S. Ladd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I think that no matter what the facts may have been the drive of the car will always be at fault in this town?  How could the smiling, earth-loving, political correct father with tiny children strapped on his bike every be held culpable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I think that no matter what the facts may have been the drive of the car will always be at fault in this town?  How could the smiling, earth-loving, political correct father with tiny children strapped on his bike every be held culpable?</p>
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