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	<title>Comments on: Farming, Park Parking and Empty Promises</title>
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		<title>By: jabber_jabber</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14981</link>
		<dc:creator>jabber_jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah marc, you may have heard of Tom Ammiano&#039;s residency card, you know the one so that illegal aliens can get city services?  There is a residency requirement, you move here and immediately you are a resident entitled to city services even if you are an illegal alien.  


Anyone can move to SF, have their pal put their name on the electricity bill go down to city hall get a card and start leaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah marc, you may have heard of Tom Ammiano's residency card, you know the one so that illegal aliens can get city services?  There is a residency requirement, you move here and immediately you are a resident entitled to city services even if you are an illegal alien.  </p>
<p>Anyone can move to SF, have their pal put their name on the electricity bill go down to city hall get a card and start leaching.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14841</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jabber_jabber, if it were possible to establish residency tests for public services such as entitlements or even affordable housing, it would have been done by now.

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jabber_jabber, if it were possible to establish residency tests for public services such as entitlements or even affordable housing, it would have been done by now.</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: jabber_jabber</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14741</link>
		<dc:creator>jabber_jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>taxing people less is not a transfer of wealth.


Creating residency requirements for services is pretty standard, Hawaii has been doing it for years.  Perhaps you mean on the federal end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>taxing people less is not a transfer of wealth.</p>
<p>Creating residency requirements for services is pretty standard, Hawaii has been doing it for years.  Perhaps you mean on the federal end?</p>
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		<title>By: John Murphy</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14681</link>
		<dc:creator>John Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we get a Rob/jabber/marcos cage match, in say, Santa Barbara?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we get a Rob/jabber/marcos cage match, in say, Santa Barbara?</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14661</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jabber_jabber, &quot;Still, I would be all for limiting the services of the SF social state to people who have lived here for some length of time and have contributed somehow to the city. &quot;

The Supreme Court says that such an approach violates the right to free travel and is unconstitutional.

There is a long history involved in battles between downtown and neighborhood alliances that is not best understood using FoxNEWS dualisms.

Instead of challenging people&#039;s ideologies or motives, or your perceptions of them, it is more useful to criticize instances of their conduct.

Progressives = bad, blah, blah, blah, just goes out the other year.

We&#039;ve just endured 30 years of unprecedented transfer of wealth upwards.  There is nothing wrong with reversing that.

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jabber_jabber, "Still, I would be all for limiting the services of the SF social state to people who have lived here for some length of time and have contributed somehow to the city. "</p>
<p>The Supreme Court says that such an approach violates the right to free travel and is unconstitutional.</p>
<p>There is a long history involved in battles between downtown and neighborhood alliances that is not best understood using FoxNEWS dualisms.</p>
<p>Instead of challenging people's ideologies or motives, or your perceptions of them, it is more useful to criticize instances of their conduct.</p>
<p>Progressives = bad, blah, blah, blah, just goes out the other year.</p>
<p>We've just endured 30 years of unprecedented transfer of wealth upwards.  There is nothing wrong with reversing that.</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: jabber_jabber</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14641</link>
		<dc:creator>jabber_jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;poor and needy&quot; are shipped here from other cities or have developed a serious drug problem not of the tax payers making, nor is the various love children to be found on the dole of the tax payers making.  


Still, I would be all for limiting the services of the SF social state to people who have lived here for some length of time and have contributed somehow to the city.  


After 40 years of gentrification social policy? What does that mean?  The city offer&#039;s more in services than it ever has, the city employ&#039;s more people in these fields than it ever has and what we have to show for it is a demand for more, even in &quot;good times.&quot;  Living in the city of SF isn&#039;t an entitlement by the way.


Considering the development fees and the property taxes paid by condos and how the only services they get via utilities only one of which is the SFPUC, I seriously doubt they are a net loss, or even come near breaking even.  If they do break even then they are paying for in taxes and what they use, unlike the cities lifestyle bums.


Also the relative wealth argument is just your sense of entitlement, because people who live in the city did something with their lives they should not be punished to serve the agenda of sub market rate condo owners like Chris Daly.  &quot;I got over so as to make sure you can&#039;t&quot;


Somehow liberalism turned into just giving the loudest shouter the most stuff.  Liberalism&#039;s anti-statism turned into taking the state over and forcing it onto people, the old liberalism used to have a expectation of personal responsibility from those collecting from the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "poor and needy" are shipped here from other cities or have developed a serious drug problem not of the tax payers making, nor is the various love children to be found on the dole of the tax payers making.  </p>
<p>Still, I would be all for limiting the services of the SF social state to people who have lived here for some length of time and have contributed somehow to the city.  </p>
<p>After 40 years of gentrification social policy? What does that mean?  The city offer's more in services than it ever has, the city employ's more people in these fields than it ever has and what we have to show for it is a demand for more, even in "good times."  Living in the city of SF isn't an entitlement by the way.</p>
<p>Considering the development fees and the property taxes paid by condos and how the only services they get via utilities only one of which is the SFPUC, I seriously doubt they are a net loss, or even come near breaking even.  If they do break even then they are paying for in taxes and what they use, unlike the cities lifestyle bums.</p>
<p>Also the relative wealth argument is just your sense of entitlement, because people who live in the city did something with their lives they should not be punished to serve the agenda of sub market rate condo owners like Chris Daly.  "I got over so as to make sure you can't"</p>
<p>Somehow liberalism turned into just giving the loudest shouter the most stuff.  Liberalism's anti-statism turned into taking the state over and forcing it onto people, the old liberalism used to have a expectation of personal responsibility from those collecting from the government.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14631</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jabber_jabber, the &quot;poor and needy&quot; were here long before most of us arrived, were not always &quot;poor and needy,&quot; but as the end product of 40 years of gentrifying social policy, are now clinging to their city just barely.

The numbers on condo property taxes funding city services just don&#039;t pencil out to a net gain.  They don&#039;t pay for their own impacts on infrastructure and city services and given their relative wealth, will probably drain services from the &quot;poor and needy.&quot;

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jabber_jabber, the "poor and needy" were here long before most of us arrived, were not always "poor and needy," but as the end product of 40 years of gentrifying social policy, are now clinging to their city just barely.</p>
<p>The numbers on condo property taxes funding city services just don't pencil out to a net gain.  They don't pay for their own impacts on infrastructure and city services and given their relative wealth, will probably drain services from the "poor and needy."</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: jabber_jabber</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14621</link>
		<dc:creator>jabber_jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the condo&#039;s and other developments that some complain about,  someone has to pay the ever growing tax burden that the progressives demand.


It would seem the most anti-development types are also the ones who expect the city to fork over in services to the; &quot;poor and needy&quot;... and bike lanes, neighborhood improvements, high city employee wages and benefits, and everything else the shouting progressives demand.


If the city was really broke I wouldn&#039;t mind the tore up streets, but if the DA can run some make work program out of her office and we can re-strip the streets for bike nuts and mayor can order the endless silly department audits for such idiocy as community gardens... well the city isn&#039;t broke, its just throwing good money after bad.


Oddly the condo owners like Daly move to the city because of the &quot;live and let live&quot; attitude and then because they have born a again Christian like sense of self awareness, they jamb their authoritarian agenda down our throats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the condo's and other developments that some complain about,  someone has to pay the ever growing tax burden that the progressives demand.</p>
<p>It would seem the most anti-development types are also the ones who expect the city to fork over in services to the; "poor and needy"... and bike lanes, neighborhood improvements, high city employee wages and benefits, and everything else the shouting progressives demand.</p>
<p>If the city was really broke I wouldn't mind the tore up streets, but if the DA can run some make work program out of her office and we can re-strip the streets for bike nuts and mayor can order the endless silly department audits for such idiocy as community gardens... well the city isn't broke, its just throwing good money after bad.</p>
<p>Oddly the condo owners like Daly move to the city because of the "live and let live" attitude and then because they have born a again Christian like sense of self awareness, they jamb their authoritarian agenda down our throats.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a real nice shot of the garden. I can&#039;t believe I just read all of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a real nice shot of the garden. I can't believe I just read all of that.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14441</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would that the entitled condo owners release their sense of entitlement in one monthly ritual, but alas, they&#039;re all entitlement, all the time.

I agree that progressives are part of the development problem.  My guess is that they&#039;re shown a political zapruder film of their own by the powers that be and asked afterwards, &quot;any questions?&quot;  That, or promised lucrative gigs once termed out.  Jake McGoldrick has only five months left in his post-employment restriction period.  My guess is that he ends up as a governmental relations person for a residential developer next year.

I bet that Rob hates Mardi Gras too.

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would that the entitled condo owners release their sense of entitlement in one monthly ritual, but alas, they're all entitlement, all the time.</p>
<p>I agree that progressives are part of the development problem.  My guess is that they're shown a political zapruder film of their own by the powers that be and asked afterwards, "any questions?"  That, or promised lucrative gigs once termed out.  Jake McGoldrick has only five months left in his post-employment restriction period.  My guess is that he ends up as a governmental relations person for a residential developer next year.</p>
<p>I bet that Rob hates Mardi Gras too.</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Anderson</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14431</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On this we agree. The problem is that the people who can afford to move here now are amongst the most entitled brats to walk the surface of the planet, all take, no give.&quot;

Yes, the sense of entitlement is extraordinary, which is best exemplified by Critical Mass. How did San Francisco get by before the advent of the bike people? And ironically it&#039;s our progressive leadership that is accelerating the gentrification of SF, with projects like the luxury highrise condos on Rincon Hill (Daly and Peskin), the Market/Octavia Plan (Mirkarimi), and allowing UC to hijack the old extension property (Mirkarimi again). The anti-car jihad---making it unnecessarily difficult and expensive to drive in the city---has also made it hard for middleclass people to remain in SF, since those who have children in particular need cars for their daily rounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"On this we agree. The problem is that the people who can afford to move here now are amongst the most entitled brats to walk the surface of the planet, all take, no give."</p>
<p>Yes, the sense of entitlement is extraordinary, which is best exemplified by Critical Mass. How did San Francisco get by before the advent of the bike people? And ironically it's our progressive leadership that is accelerating the gentrification of SF, with projects like the luxury highrise condos on Rincon Hill (Daly and Peskin), the Market/Octavia Plan (Mirkarimi), and allowing UC to hijack the old extension property (Mirkarimi again). The anti-car jihad---making it unnecessarily difficult and expensive to drive in the city---has also made it hard for middleclass people to remain in SF, since those who have children in particular need cars for their daily rounds.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14371</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jabber_jabber, &quot;Those are the people that are a problem in this city of entitled whiners, not the average bike rider who actually believes in sharing the road.&quot;

On this we agree.  The problem is that the people who can afford to move here now are amongst the most entitled brats to walk the surface of the planet, all take, no give.

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jabber_jabber, "Those are the people that are a problem in this city of entitled whiners, not the average bike rider who actually believes in sharing the road."</p>
<p>On this we agree.  The problem is that the people who can afford to move here now are amongst the most entitled brats to walk the surface of the planet, all take, no give.</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: jabber_jabber</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14321</link>
		<dc:creator>jabber_jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Rob, I liked your other post so much, I know you are just mocking the bike nuts, still, its not a hobby, I ride a bike every day so its not a hobby.


You should just stick to mocking the cities bike self righteous self centered intolerant bike loons for their crazy antics.


That post by za, pure mental illness.  Those are the people that are a problem in this city of entitled whiners, not the average bike rider who actually believes in sharing the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Rob, I liked your other post so much, I know you are just mocking the bike nuts, still, its not a hobby, I ride a bike every day so its not a hobby.</p>
<p>You should just stick to mocking the cities bike self righteous self centered intolerant bike loons for their crazy antics.</p>
<p>That post by za, pure mental illness.  Those are the people that are a problem in this city of entitled whiners, not the average bike rider who actually believes in sharing the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Anderson</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14281</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They&#039;ll give us a bike lane, one lane for autos, traffic calming, and some greenery. Well, maybe the next mayor might.&quot;

It&#039;s remarkable that you bike people are complaining about Newsom, who has given you everything you&#039;ve asked for, except for his veto of the first move to close the park to autos on Saturdays. But he then engineered the compromise that got it done anyhow, in spite of the already expressed will of the voters. He supported the city&#039;s attempt to illegally push the Bicycle Plan through the process. What more could he have possibly done to support your dangerous hobby?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"They'll give us a bike lane, one lane for autos, traffic calming, and some greenery. Well, maybe the next mayor might."</p>
<p>It's remarkable that you bike people are complaining about Newsom, who has given you everything you've asked for, except for his veto of the first move to close the park to autos on Saturdays. But he then engineered the compromise that got it done anyhow, in spite of the already expressed will of the voters. He supported the city's attempt to illegally push the Bicycle Plan through the process. What more could he have possibly done to support your dangerous hobby?</p>
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		<title>By: jabber_jabber</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14251</link>
		<dc:creator>jabber_jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One huge yawn.  A temper tantrum by another entitled SF shouter.  Newsom has as much substance as say, any member of the board, the problem with Newsom&#039;s empty suit status is that he isn&#039;t a progressive empty suit.

Mr Anderson&#039;s analysis is very astute, when the entitled bike riders don&#039;t get their way they freak out.  Once upon a time my fellow bike riders just wanted to share the road, now riding a bike is a statement of their superior values.

I would guess that the author of this ridiculous freak out gets in a lather over born again Christians who tantrum in the same way.

The bike nuts lost their &quot;healthy Saturday&quot; before the voters twice, TWICE, so they went crying to the board of losers and got their way, while I&#039;m sure complaining about Bush&#039;s secret oil deals, or some other crazy right wing scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One huge yawn.  A temper tantrum by another entitled SF shouter.  Newsom has as much substance as say, any member of the board, the problem with Newsom's empty suit status is that he isn't a progressive empty suit.</p>
<p>Mr Anderson's analysis is very astute, when the entitled bike riders don't get their way they freak out.  Once upon a time my fellow bike riders just wanted to share the road, now riding a bike is a statement of their superior values.</p>
<p>I would guess that the author of this ridiculous freak out gets in a lather over born again Christians who tantrum in the same way.</p>
<p>The bike nuts lost their "healthy Saturday" before the voters twice, TWICE, so they went crying to the board of losers and got their way, while I'm sure complaining about Bush's secret oil deals, or some other crazy right wing scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Anderson</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14031</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like a lot of bike people, Carlsson is still bitter about losing on the garage under the Concourse. The bike people opposed it, but city voters voted for it. Many readers will forget what the Concourse was like before the garage was built; it was in fact a lot like a parking lot, with 200 parking spaces on the surface of the Concourse. Those parking spaces are gone, along with 600 other parking spaces in the area to match the 800 spaces in the underground garage. Newsom supported the garage, and a majority of the Board of Supervisors did, too, not to mention a solid majority of city voters. The Concourse is now a lot closer to being a &quot;pedestrian oasis&quot; than it was before, since the traffic that does cross through is minor and slow-moving. A little enforcement would reduce even that to a trickle.

Carlsson and the bike people preferred the park the way it was before the garage was built---gridlocked with people in cars looking for a place to park---so that they could weave in and out of the perpetual traffic jam on their bikes, thus demonstrating the superiority of their &quot;mode&quot; of transportation.

Once the decisions were made to keep the de Young and the Academy of Sciences in the park, the garage was essential to handle the crowds. And the ballot measure authorizing the garage included an important provision that&#039;s never mentioned by the bike people---guaranteeing access to the park for everyone, including families, old people, and handicapped people. The garage does in fact allow easier access to that part of the park to everyone.

Weird that Carlsson even mentions the Healthy Saturdays issue. In fact the SFBC had to compromise---a compromise facilitated by Newsom and his staff---because they understood that if it went to the ballot they would probably lose, as they did on the issue twice on the same ballot in 2000. This is the unpleasant reality behind all the huffing and puffing by the bike people: they really aren&#039;t terribly popular in the city, which is why the SFBC backed down on their threat to put the Bicycle Plan on the ballot a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like a lot of bike people, Carlsson is still bitter about losing on the garage under the Concourse. The bike people opposed it, but city voters voted for it. Many readers will forget what the Concourse was like before the garage was built; it was in fact a lot like a parking lot, with 200 parking spaces on the surface of the Concourse. Those parking spaces are gone, along with 600 other parking spaces in the area to match the 800 spaces in the underground garage. Newsom supported the garage, and a majority of the Board of Supervisors did, too, not to mention a solid majority of city voters. The Concourse is now a lot closer to being a "pedestrian oasis" than it was before, since the traffic that does cross through is minor and slow-moving. A little enforcement would reduce even that to a trickle.</p>
<p>Carlsson and the bike people preferred the park the way it was before the garage was built---gridlocked with people in cars looking for a place to park---so that they could weave in and out of the perpetual traffic jam on their bikes, thus demonstrating the superiority of their "mode" of transportation.</p>
<p>Once the decisions were made to keep the de Young and the Academy of Sciences in the park, the garage was essential to handle the crowds. And the ballot measure authorizing the garage included an important provision that's never mentioned by the bike people---guaranteeing access to the park for everyone, including families, old people, and handicapped people. The garage does in fact allow easier access to that part of the park to everyone.</p>
<p>Weird that Carlsson even mentions the Healthy Saturdays issue. In fact the SFBC had to compromise---a compromise facilitated by Newsom and his staff---because they understood that if it went to the ballot they would probably lose, as they did on the issue twice on the same ballot in 2000. This is the unpleasant reality behind all the huffing and puffing by the bike people: they really aren't terribly popular in the city, which is why the SFBC backed down on their threat to put the Bicycle Plan on the ballot a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-14011</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris Carlsson, there is little need at this point to &quot;speak the truth to power&quot; as relates to Newsom&#039;s vacuity.  I&#039;d wager that a public opinion poll taken now would demonstrate that San Franciscans have rubbed through the press releases to allow the bare nub of lies beneath to shine through.  A recall of Newsom would have a fair chance of success right now.

So far this year, my luscious tomato garden has suffered 100% crop loss to varmints in my .0001 acre spread in the North Mission.  Newsom&#039;s Potemkin garden in Civic Center, within spitting distance of the Tenderloin, apparently did not suffer crop losses due to varmints even though the population density is 75K/mi2 and sanitary conditions in the TL are, shall we say, favorable to vermin and varmints.  

Sure, I could use poison for the rats or raccoons, but that would probably poison whatever raptors might feast on the varmints, and it would violate San Francisco&#039;s integrated pest management program that I read about in a Newsom press release several years ago.  Here&#039;s a picture of a Cooper&#039;s Hawk that lived in our interior courtyard last year, taking a big ole dump while using its talons to squeeze the life out of a pigeon:

http://cybre.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=113392&amp;g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Unfortunately, our neighbors cut down the avocado tree where it nested and I&#039;ve seen no raptors since.

But kicking Newsom is easy.  When we raise our own political power through organizing and successfully contesting competitive elections, the ball is now in our court to set our policy agenda.  When we fumble, we own that or else we deny it and are condemned to repeat it.

When we misplay our hand in ways that run counter to our own stated policy goals, such as going shortsighted Ahab on &quot;Healthy Saturdays&quot; which neutralized McGoldrick as an ally against gentrifying development in the Mission and which apparently forces automobiles onto the &quot;pedestrian oasis&quot; at the Concourse, or when we sign onto a sliver plaza which bisects a bicycle route and creates dangerous conditions, we&#039;re actually one-upping Newsom on the stupidity scale.

I don&#039;t not get paid to do that.

&quot;Healthy Saturdays&quot; was more about Ted and Leah saving face after getting whipped by light weight Newsom repeatedly, and responding by irrationally quadrupling down on road closure in GGP (while ignoring most every other bicycle related policy initiative) than it was about thinking through a sustainable, equitable policy.

To recap: Concourse = pedestrian oasis - pedestrians + cars.  17th Street = pedestrian plaza - bike route.  And people say that I don&#039;t play nice with others.

Hate to quote Jesus, but &quot;physician, heal thyself!&quot;

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Carlsson, there is little need at this point to "speak the truth to power" as relates to Newsom's vacuity.  I'd wager that a public opinion poll taken now would demonstrate that San Franciscans have rubbed through the press releases to allow the bare nub of lies beneath to shine through.  A recall of Newsom would have a fair chance of success right now.</p>
<p>So far this year, my luscious tomato garden has suffered 100% crop loss to varmints in my .0001 acre spread in the North Mission.  Newsom's Potemkin garden in Civic Center, within spitting distance of the Tenderloin, apparently did not suffer crop losses due to varmints even though the population density is 75K/mi2 and sanitary conditions in the TL are, shall we say, favorable to vermin and varmints.  </p>
<p>Sure, I could use poison for the rats or raccoons, but that would probably poison whatever raptors might feast on the varmints, and it would violate San Francisco's integrated pest management program that I read about in a Newsom press release several years ago.  Here's a picture of a Cooper's Hawk that lived in our interior courtyard last year, taking a big ole dump while using its talons to squeeze the life out of a pigeon:</p>
<p><a href="http://cybre.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=113392&amp;g2_imageViewsIndex=1" rel="nofollow">http://cybre.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=113392&amp;g2_imageViewsIndex=1</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, our neighbors cut down the avocado tree where it nested and I've seen no raptors since.</p>
<p>But kicking Newsom is easy.  When we raise our own political power through organizing and successfully contesting competitive elections, the ball is now in our court to set our policy agenda.  When we fumble, we own that or else we deny it and are condemned to repeat it.</p>
<p>When we misplay our hand in ways that run counter to our own stated policy goals, such as going shortsighted Ahab on "Healthy Saturdays" which neutralized McGoldrick as an ally against gentrifying development in the Mission and which apparently forces automobiles onto the "pedestrian oasis" at the Concourse, or when we sign onto a sliver plaza which bisects a bicycle route and creates dangerous conditions, we're actually one-upping Newsom on the stupidity scale.</p>
<p>I don't not get paid to do that.</p>
<p>"Healthy Saturdays" was more about Ted and Leah saving face after getting whipped by light weight Newsom repeatedly, and responding by irrationally quadrupling down on road closure in GGP (while ignoring most every other bicycle related policy initiative) than it was about thinking through a sustainable, equitable policy.</p>
<p>To recap: Concourse = pedestrian oasis - pedestrians + cars.  17th Street = pedestrian plaza - bike route.  And people say that I don't play nice with others.</p>
<p>Hate to quote Jesus, but "physician, heal thyself!"</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: ZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me we&#039;re still in an era of politicians, not statesmen. Therefore it behooves us to make our own green ways and our own community solutions, if a politician wants to honor or replicate it for their own purposes, there&#039;s no stopping them, but demanding a bit of credit and additional resources is always healthy negotiation. 

Regarding the rich - they will always wield more direct influence, but the rest of us can channel their ambitions to get a better (fair?) share. All the response development of the GGPC is largely the result of failing to adequately engage the rest of the communities that use that space. It&#039;s tragic that MUNI never gets enough bus capacity to support anything like the numbers of people who already use GGPark, let alone those who want to. This is exactly the sort of deliberate underinvestment that gives us this half-assed logistics for this real gem in GGPark...to say nothing of the confusing and unrealistic bikelanes in GGPC. I suppose we can only be grateful the error wasn&#039;t entirely repeated in the Presidio (yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me we're still in an era of politicians, not statesmen. Therefore it behooves us to make our own green ways and our own community solutions, if a politician wants to honor or replicate it for their own purposes, there's no stopping them, but demanding a bit of credit and additional resources is always healthy negotiation. </p>
<p>Regarding the rich - they will always wield more direct influence, but the rest of us can channel their ambitions to get a better (fair?) share. All the response development of the GGPC is largely the result of failing to adequately engage the rest of the communities that use that space. It's tragic that MUNI never gets enough bus capacity to support anything like the numbers of people who already use GGPark, let alone those who want to. This is exactly the sort of deliberate underinvestment that gives us this half-assed logistics for this real gem in GGPark...to say nothing of the confusing and unrealistic bikelanes in GGPC. I suppose we can only be grateful the error wasn't entirely repeated in the Presidio (yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-13941</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look closely at the Music Concourse, it seems to represent the most the City is currently willing to give us in regards to a complete Bike Network. 

They&#039;ll give us a bike lane, one lane for autos, traffic calming, and some greenery. Well, maybe the next mayor might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look closely at the Music Concourse, it seems to represent the most the City is currently willing to give us in regards to a complete Bike Network. </p>
<p>They'll give us a bike lane, one lane for autos, traffic calming, and some greenery. Well, maybe the next mayor might.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Carlsson</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/farming-park-parking-and-empty-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-13911</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Carlsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey marc,
yes, that was quite cryptic, that first one! I kinda knew what you meant, but anyway, glad you elaborated on it in #2... Clearly the piecemeal approach, like stepping on a water balloon, doesn&#039;t really get us anywhere we can be too enthused about. The main point I was trying to make is that for all the campaign rhetoric and endless photo ops and public declarations, this mayor and the people who support him, really don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about real change or meaningful transformation of the urban fabric. They are happy with cosmetic improvements, like the Guerrero medians--which I like very much--rather than any redesign of streets, parks, or altering rights of way that have been utterly usurped by private cars for decades... The surprise I felt on hearing Newsom &quot;embrace&quot; an urban agriculture initiative was quickly tempered by a sour antagonism that is all too familiar based on past experiences like the fiasco of Golden Gate Park... thanks for responding....
--cc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey marc,<br />
yes, that was quite cryptic, that first one! I kinda knew what you meant, but anyway, glad you elaborated on it in #2... Clearly the piecemeal approach, like stepping on a water balloon, doesn't really get us anywhere we can be too enthused about. The main point I was trying to make is that for all the campaign rhetoric and endless photo ops and public declarations, this mayor and the people who support him, really don't give a rat's ass about real change or meaningful transformation of the urban fabric. They are happy with cosmetic improvements, like the Guerrero medians--which I like very much--rather than any redesign of streets, parks, or altering rights of way that have been utterly usurped by private cars for decades... The surprise I felt on hearing Newsom "embrace" an urban agriculture initiative was quickly tempered by a sour antagonism that is all too familiar based on past experiences like the fiasco of Golden Gate Park... thanks for responding....<br />
--cc</p>
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