Comments on: BART a National Leader in Real-Time Data Transparency and Development http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/14/bart-a-national-leader-in-real-time-data-transparency-and-development/ Covering San Francisco's livable streets movement Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:39:06 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: bikerider http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/14/bart-a-national-leader-in-real-time-data-transparency-and-development/comment-page-1/#comment-14851 bikerider Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:12:29 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=4311#comment-14851 BT14: All hope is lost when government agencies copyright publicly available maps, schedules, and other "proprietary" documents. Note that BART has even gone so far as to password protect pdf "All About BART" brochures (presumably to keep them out of the hands of terrorists). Nor does BART permit embedding of their "BartTV" videos (which were produced at considerable taxpayer expense). Transit maps are the most important information resource for building ridership. If a web developer wants to incorporate a BART transit map on a website (i.e. to show customers how to reach a store), then that is something to be encouraged -- not threatened with lawsuits. Despite this one case of providing the google transit feed, BART's overall policies are so mindboggling insane, that it is clear there are far too many 1970s hanger-ons who have no clue about how the internet works. BT14:
All hope is lost when government agencies copyright publicly available maps, schedules, and other "proprietary" documents. Note that BART has even gone so far as to password protect pdf "All About BART" brochures (presumably to keep them out of the hands of terrorists). Nor does BART permit embedding of their "BartTV" videos (which were produced at considerable taxpayer expense).

Transit maps are the most important information resource for building ridership. If a web developer wants to incorporate a BART transit map on a website (i.e. to show customers how to reach a store), then that is something to be encouraged -- not threatened with lawsuits. Despite this one case of providing the google transit feed, BART's overall policies are so mindboggling insane, that it is clear there are far too many 1970s hanger-ons who have no clue about how the internet works.

]]> By: BT14 http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/14/bart-a-national-leader-in-real-time-data-transparency-and-development/comment-page-1/#comment-14611 BT14 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:43:53 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=4311#comment-14611 Um, FAIL! That's a letter in regard to a website using the official BART map on their website without permission. The map is copyrighted, so they do have the right to say where it can and can't be used. The real time data this article mentions has nothing to do with the map. Um, FAIL! That's a letter in regard to a website using the official BART map on their website without permission. The map is copyrighted, so they do have the right to say where it can and can't be used. The real time data this article mentions has nothing to do with the map.

]]> By: bikerider http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/14/bart-a-national-leader-in-real-time-data-transparency-and-development/comment-page-1/#comment-14531 bikerider Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:35:09 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=4311#comment-14531 Data "Transparency" my ass. http://www.chillingeffects.org/copyright/notice.cgi?NoticeID=2368 Data "Transparency" my ass.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/copyright/notice.cgi?NoticeID=2368

]]> By: John Murphy http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/14/bart-a-national-leader-in-real-time-data-transparency-and-development/comment-page-1/#comment-14351 John Murphy Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:55:54 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=4311#comment-14351 Much better than anything Caltrain or BART or any agency can produce is user data from the riders. www.twitter.com/caltrain Much better than anything Caltrain or BART or any agency can produce is user data from the riders.

http://www.twitter.com/caltrain

]]> By: Wai Yip Tung http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/14/bart-a-national-leader-in-real-time-data-transparency-and-development/comment-page-1/#comment-14331 Wai Yip Tung Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:42:43 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=4311#comment-14331 Caltrain badly need to publish their location data in real time. There are regular schedule disruption. The announcement system on the platform has little use in telling passenger what to expect. Caltrain badly need to publish their location data in real time. There are regular schedule disruption. The announcement system on the platform has little use in telling passenger what to expect.

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