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		<title>By: bikerider</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/16/smart-to-use-heavier-rail-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-15781</link>
		<dc:creator>bikerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Care to elaborate on why domestic equipment should be a design goal? First and foremost this project should solve a transportation problem....not be some corporate welfare program. Because of counterproductive Buy-America, transit agencies typically pay 2-5x the going World-market rate for rail vehicles.

Also note, BTW, that SMART&#039;s new preferred &quot;Buy America&quot; vendor is, in fact, a Japanese firm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care to elaborate on why domestic equipment should be a design goal? First and foremost this project should solve a transportation problem&#8230;.not be some corporate welfare program. Because of counterproductive Buy-America, transit agencies typically pay 2-5x the going World-market rate for rail vehicles.</p>
<p>Also note, BTW, that SMART&#8217;s new preferred &#8220;Buy America&#8221; vendor is, in fact, a Japanese firm.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing wrong with stipulating we buy domestically produced rolling stock.  We&#039;ve got to get self sufficiency in mass transit right and we may as well start now.

-marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with stipulating we buy domestically produced rolling stock.  We&#8217;ve got to get self sufficiency in mass transit right and we may as well start now.</p>
<p>-marc</p>
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		<title>By: bikerider</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/16/smart-to-use-heavier-rail-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-15321</link>
		<dc:creator>bikerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone wondering what all the hubub is about, here is the &quot;sleek&quot; &quot;modern&quot; &quot;fuel-efficient&quot; heavy-DMUs purchased by Trimet:

http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/9/3/0/2930.1213266744.jpg

This is the train SMART staff very much wanted to purchase, except that the manufacturer (Colorado Railcar) is now bankrupt (and accused of fraud). Note that SMART still nonetheless features artist&#039;s rendition of Colorado Railcar vehicle on its home page and promotional materials. The SMART Executive Director formerly worked for Trimet, though now has distanced herself from the whole Colorado railcar fiasco.

So now SMART&#039;s minuscule staff proposes to build -- from scratch -- their own very own FRA-compliant railcar -- a task WAY beyond their capabilities. The idea that building a custom choo-choo is quicker than filing the paperwork for FRA waivers (which they&#039;ve had a DECADE to work on) just doesn&#039;t pass the laugh test. 

Worse still is all the baggage that comes with FRA-compliant operation. Even something as simple as on-board bike access is a nightmare when dealing with FRA. And, of course, the huge extra expense from running super heavy Amtrak-style trains. Contrary to what was reported, it is very easy to purchase off-the-shelf light DMU trains that get 2x (or more) fuel economy relative to a (hypothetical) heavy American model -- meaning SMART could double their train frequency with no extra operational cost. 

Really, when reading through the SMART reports, one sees textbook example of institutional dysfunction and insanity. Note, in particular, the design-goal to have trains compatible with Amtrak(!!). And where staff actually boasts that the manufacturer of Caltrain&#039;s infamously craptastic gallery cars is interested in submitting bids for heavy DMUs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone wondering what all the hubub is about, here is the &#8220;sleek&#8221; &#8220;modern&#8221; &#8220;fuel-efficient&#8221; heavy-DMUs purchased by Trimet:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/9/3/0/2930.1213266744.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/9/3/0/2930.1213266744.jpg</a></p>
<p>This is the train SMART staff very much wanted to purchase, except that the manufacturer (Colorado Railcar) is now bankrupt (and accused of fraud). Note that SMART still nonetheless features artist&#8217;s rendition of Colorado Railcar vehicle on its home page and promotional materials. The SMART Executive Director formerly worked for Trimet, though now has distanced herself from the whole Colorado railcar fiasco.</p>
<p>So now SMART&#8217;s minuscule staff proposes to build &#8212; from scratch &#8212; their own very own FRA-compliant railcar &#8212; a task WAY beyond their capabilities. The idea that building a custom choo-choo is quicker than filing the paperwork for FRA waivers (which they&#8217;ve had a DECADE to work on) just doesn&#8217;t pass the laugh test. </p>
<p>Worse still is all the baggage that comes with FRA-compliant operation. Even something as simple as on-board bike access is a nightmare when dealing with FRA. And, of course, the huge extra expense from running super heavy Amtrak-style trains. Contrary to what was reported, it is very easy to purchase off-the-shelf light DMU trains that get 2x (or more) fuel economy relative to a (hypothetical) heavy American model &#8212; meaning SMART could double their train frequency with no extra operational cost. </p>
<p>Really, when reading through the SMART reports, one sees textbook example of institutional dysfunction and insanity. Note, in particular, the design-goal to have trains compatible with Amtrak(!!). And where staff actually boasts that the manufacturer of Caltrain&#8217;s infamously craptastic gallery cars is interested in submitting bids for heavy DMUs.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Smith</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/16/smart-to-use-heavier-rail-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-15301</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there&#039;s so much wrong with this decision.

first, the &#039;buy america&#039; clause is garbage - unfair, anti-competitive, etc.

second, are we really throwing away low floors? so i&#039;ll have to carry my bike on-board? on a rail line designed after the year 2000?

america can put a man on the moon, but can&#039;t make a low-floor rail car?

can&#039;t make a light rail car?

can&#039;t get regulations together to unfairly favor domestic production?

&#039;heavy&#039; is great -- i guess -- if there&#039;s actually a place for heavy. do we really need a few extra tons zipping up and down the tracks a few dozen times a day? common sense tells me that can&#039;t be good for energy consumption, even despite the larger capacity. if railroads had any funding to do inventive things, then it might not be a big deal, but that&#039;s not the case.

what is so special about america that only one company in the world would even consider building rail cars for us? are we that hated?

SMART will have to share tracks with freight? temporal separation if they went with light rail? 

it&#039;s all just insanity.

let&#039;s take some of the massive subsidies the airline makers get -- boeing and all the rest -- and put it into rail service. 

let&#039;s get apple to start making rail cars so we don&#039;t have to buy those ugly Portland streetcars if we want to &#039;buy american&#039;.

we wanted to be &#039;futuristic&#039;? *#*# me.

ok - i have absolutely no idea what i&#039;m talking about, here, but damn. 

and DMU? what we got against electricity?

i wonder if StreetsWiki has some info about why heavy-as-**** rail cars are &#039;teh awesome&#039; and light rail cars are hazardous to our health.

we have to keep on those fools about the bike/walk path. and we need to make sure we get some great bike parking/repair/etc. facilities at big stops. you heard that, BRT fans? make yourselves useful for a change.

blah. it&#039;s miller time.

should be a nice ride up to wine country. get hammered. roll home. nice.  :)

of course, not sure what happens when we get back to Larkspur and the last ferry out left 3 hours ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there&#8217;s so much wrong with this decision.</p>
<p>first, the &#8216;buy america&#8217; clause is garbage &#8211; unfair, anti-competitive, etc.</p>
<p>second, are we really throwing away low floors? so i&#8217;ll have to carry my bike on-board? on a rail line designed after the year 2000?</p>
<p>america can put a man on the moon, but can&#8217;t make a low-floor rail car?</p>
<p>can&#8217;t make a light rail car?</p>
<p>can&#8217;t get regulations together to unfairly favor domestic production?</p>
<p>&#8216;heavy&#8217; is great &#8212; i guess &#8212; if there&#8217;s actually a place for heavy. do we really need a few extra tons zipping up and down the tracks a few dozen times a day? common sense tells me that can&#8217;t be good for energy consumption, even despite the larger capacity. if railroads had any funding to do inventive things, then it might not be a big deal, but that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
<p>what is so special about america that only one company in the world would even consider building rail cars for us? are we that hated?</p>
<p>SMART will have to share tracks with freight? temporal separation if they went with light rail? </p>
<p>it&#8217;s all just insanity.</p>
<p>let&#8217;s take some of the massive subsidies the airline makers get &#8212; boeing and all the rest &#8212; and put it into rail service. </p>
<p>let&#8217;s get apple to start making rail cars so we don&#8217;t have to buy those ugly Portland streetcars if we want to &#8216;buy american&#8217;.</p>
<p>we wanted to be &#8216;futuristic&#8217;? *#*# me.</p>
<p>ok &#8211; i have absolutely no idea what i&#8217;m talking about, here, but damn. </p>
<p>and DMU? what we got against electricity?</p>
<p>i wonder if StreetsWiki has some info about why heavy-as-**** rail cars are &#8216;teh awesome&#8217; and light rail cars are hazardous to our health.</p>
<p>we have to keep on those fools about the bike/walk path. and we need to make sure we get some great bike parking/repair/etc. facilities at big stops. you heard that, BRT fans? make yourselves useful for a change.</p>
<p>blah. it&#8217;s miller time.</p>
<p>should be a nice ride up to wine country. get hammered. roll home. nice.  <img src='http://sf.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>of course, not sure what happens when we get back to Larkspur and the last ferry out left 3 hours ago.</p>
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		<title>By: murphstahoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>murphstahoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mikesonn - they are super nice buses and they run on the 101 - aside from Marin City and San Rafael the only stops in Marin County are bus pads on the freeway offramps. A super tactic is to go up Friday night on an express to Santa Rosa, stay the night, then bike on Saturday. The express buses stop a few places in the city, then the GG Bridge, then the next stop is Santa Rosa. Coach buses with nice seats. Some of the expresses run on 45 ft MCIs with a bike bay under the bus to keep your bike nice and cozy and safe.

Oh, and they have Free Wi-fi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mikesonn &#8211; they are super nice buses and they run on the 101 &#8211; aside from Marin City and San Rafael the only stops in Marin County are bus pads on the freeway offramps. A super tactic is to go up Friday night on an express to Santa Rosa, stay the night, then bike on Saturday. The express buses stop a few places in the city, then the GG Bridge, then the next stop is Santa Rosa. Coach buses with nice seats. Some of the expresses run on 45 ft MCIs with a bike bay under the bus to keep your bike nice and cozy and safe.</p>
<p>Oh, and they have Free Wi-fi.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikesonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@murphstahoe yeah, I pretty much hate buses. If it isn&#039;t pretty and fast, then it&#039;s not worth my time.

Well, murph, I hate to say it, but your smart-ass comment has made me want to give golden gate transit a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@murphstahoe yeah, I pretty much hate buses. If it isn&#8217;t pretty and fast, then it&#8217;s not worth my time.</p>
<p>Well, murph, I hate to say it, but your smart-ass comment has made me want to give golden gate transit a try.</p>
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		<title>By: Donovan b</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donovan b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes me think of what happened to the Acela in the Northeast Corridor.  European-style trains selected but dumbed down to American &quot;safety&quot; standards, i.e., made into complete pigs.  The extra weight required a complete re-engineering of the brakes and wheels, a need discovered too late and only after the piggish cars wore through wheels like butter.  The poor quality tracks they had to run on, with their looser tolerances typical in American rail, didn&#039;t help.  Are we heading to the same type of disaster?  Doesn&#039;t seem to fit the &quot;world class&quot; moniker SMART would like to aspire to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me think of what happened to the Acela in the Northeast Corridor.  European-style trains selected but dumbed down to American &#8220;safety&#8221; standards, i.e., made into complete pigs.  The extra weight required a complete re-engineering of the brakes and wheels, a need discovered too late and only after the piggish cars wore through wheels like butter.  The poor quality tracks they had to run on, with their looser tolerances typical in American rail, didn&#8217;t help.  Are we heading to the same type of disaster?  Doesn&#8217;t seem to fit the &#8220;world class&#8221; moniker SMART would like to aspire to.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mlynarik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Mlynarik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SMART (what a misnomer) has just put back passenger rail transportation in the USA by a couple decades.

Let&#039;s see ... go for a vaporware design which exists nowhere else in the world, the only past attempt at which (Colorado Rail Car) was a unmitigated disaster, a designed which will be untested, is guaranteed to have wretched reliability and atrocious energy efficiency (they exxplicitly _promise_ this!) and to be delivered years late (compare Portland&#039;s &quot;rah rah USA number one&quot; all-American craptastic fiasco with the fabulous Swiss-built Stadler vehicles in Austin (TEXAS!!!!!!!) or in New Jersey) ... all based on the premise that they&#039;ll be delivered &quot;sooner&quot;.

What morons.  What complete cretins.

Note that SMART&#039;s GM was formerly associated with the unmitigated disaster of Portland&#039;s West Side rail earmark pork barrel failure fest.

Bay Area Transportation: the best the world has to offer!

I&#039;ll bet a year&#039;s salary that none of budget, schedule nor availability bechmarks will be met by the third world (designed and built in the U-S-A!) vehicles that result from this scam.  Anybody at SMART or any of the World Class Rail Professionals at LTK (the World Class consultants who recommended a program that guarantees greatest cost and greatest consultant input) want to take me up on the bet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SMART (what a misnomer) has just put back passenger rail transportation in the USA by a couple decades.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8230; go for a vaporware design which exists nowhere else in the world, the only past attempt at which (Colorado Rail Car) was a unmitigated disaster, a designed which will be untested, is guaranteed to have wretched reliability and atrocious energy efficiency (they exxplicitly _promise_ this!) and to be delivered years late (compare Portland&#8217;s &#8220;rah rah USA number one&#8221; all-American craptastic fiasco with the fabulous Swiss-built Stadler vehicles in Austin (TEXAS!!!!!!!) or in New Jersey) &#8230; all based on the premise that they&#8217;ll be delivered &#8220;sooner&#8221;.</p>
<p>What morons.  What complete cretins.</p>
<p>Note that SMART&#8217;s GM was formerly associated with the unmitigated disaster of Portland&#8217;s West Side rail earmark pork barrel failure fest.</p>
<p>Bay Area Transportation: the best the world has to offer!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet a year&#8217;s salary that none of budget, schedule nor availability bechmarks will be met by the third world (designed and built in the U-S-A!) vehicles that result from this scam.  Anybody at SMART or any of the World Class Rail Professionals at LTK (the World Class consultants who recommended a program that guarantees greatest cost and greatest consultant input) want to take me up on the bet?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Evan.  again, not to beat the *you already can* dead horse, there is pretty decent service via the Napa Vine bus out of the vallejo ferry terminal.  

http://www.nctpa.net/vine.cfm

You can also do it with a bike + bus + ferry to make it even easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Evan.  again, not to beat the *you already can* dead horse, there is pretty decent service via the Napa Vine bus out of the vallejo ferry terminal.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nctpa.net/vine.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nctpa.net/vine.cfm</a></p>
<p>You can also do it with a bike + bus + ferry to make it even easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else very excited about the opportunity to visit wine country and not have to worry about driving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else very excited about the opportunity to visit wine country and not have to worry about driving?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to second murph here on the GG transit buses.  You can easily rip up to the Russian River, Petaluma, lots of places with your bike on the express 70/80/101 buses right from downtown San Francisco.  Of course the train will be great when it opens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to second murph here on the GG transit buses.  You can easily rip up to the Russian River, Petaluma, lots of places with your bike on the express 70/80/101 buses right from downtown San Francisco.  Of course the train will be great when it opens.</p>
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		<title>By: Daveo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the latest on the design of the Larkspur ferry to train station transfr design .  Last I heard it was still going to be a quarter mile walk or do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the latest on the design of the Larkspur ferry to train station transfr design .  Last I heard it was still going to be a quarter mile walk or do</p>
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		<title>By: ZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another comment is on the interoperability potential with Amtrak. I just find it unrealistic so long as Napa continues to avoid this project. Sure, there&#039;s a convenient right-of-way near Hwy 37 that could connect American Canyon, Vallejo, and Benicia...but neither the pricing of SMART or the ferry capacity has addressed the sort of numbers needed to make a properly integrated system for the North Bay counties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another comment is on the interoperability potential with Amtrak. I just find it unrealistic so long as Napa continues to avoid this project. Sure, there&#8217;s a convenient right-of-way near Hwy 37 that could connect American Canyon, Vallejo, and Benicia&#8230;but neither the pricing of SMART or the ferry capacity has addressed the sort of numbers needed to make a properly integrated system for the North Bay counties.</p>
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		<title>By: ZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have a number of issues with this proposal, the subject I&#039;ll tackle is the role this train may play in opening up new areas for weekend bicyclists deep into Sonoma and Napa, now limited to the relative few with the resolve to overcome Whites Hill and/or the Sausalito climb on the return. This may serve to relieve some of the pressure on Sausalito, but may also increase the numbers (and with more casual cyclists) in China Camp, Hood Mountain, Sugerloaf, Gurneville, Occidental, Bodega, Tomales. There may also be more cyclists heading over the border to Calistoga, and RLS State Park. I&#039;m sure weekend food retailers will love the business, but I also hope that these communities are ready to share the road, especially with more casual tourist cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have a number of issues with this proposal, the subject I&#8217;ll tackle is the role this train may play in opening up new areas for weekend bicyclists deep into Sonoma and Napa, now limited to the relative few with the resolve to overcome Whites Hill and/or the Sausalito climb on the return. This may serve to relieve some of the pressure on Sausalito, but may also increase the numbers (and with more casual cyclists) in China Camp, Hood Mountain, Sugerloaf, Gurneville, Occidental, Bodega, Tomales. There may also be more cyclists heading over the border to Calistoga, and RLS State Park. I&#8217;m sure weekend food retailers will love the business, but I also hope that these communities are ready to share the road, especially with more casual tourist cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: murphstahoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>murphstahoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mikesonn repeats the mantra trains good buses bad. I have been using GG Transit buses to get to Sonoma County - with bike - for years. Those buses are very nice - though it definitely doesn&#039;t scale...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mikesonn repeats the mantra trains good buses bad. I have been using GG Transit buses to get to Sonoma County &#8211; with bike &#8211; for years. Those buses are very nice &#8211; though it definitely doesn&#8217;t scale&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikesonn</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/16/smart-to-use-heavier-rail-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-15031</link>
		<dc:creator>mikesonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to say that I very excited about this also. I hate having to get a zip car to head up to the north bay. I would love to take a ferry with my bike, hop on SMART and then have a great day of biking without even touching a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to say that I very excited about this also. I hate having to get a zip car to head up to the north bay. I would love to take a ferry with my bike, hop on SMART and then have a great day of biking without even touching a car.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesonn</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/16/smart-to-use-heavier-rail-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-15021</link>
		<dc:creator>mikesonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be a good example of why the new GM should produce trains/light rails instead of SUVs. Buying American should mean getting a lesser product (though this sounds like the two are pretty equivalent). But why can&#039;t we produce the latest and greatest here in the states?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be a good example of why the new GM should produce trains/light rails instead of SUVs. Buying American should mean getting a lesser product (though this sounds like the two are pretty equivalent). But why can&#8217;t we produce the latest and greatest here in the states?</p>
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		<title>By: kit</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/07/16/smart-to-use-heavier-rail-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-15011</link>
		<dc:creator>kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot adequately explain how excited I am about this train. It is the last portion of the Bay Area that is not served by a rail line, and that alone makes this project immensely exciting. 2014 cannot come soon enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot adequately explain how excited I am about this train. It is the last portion of the Bay Area that is not served by a rail line, and that alone makes this project immensely exciting. 2014 cannot come soon enough!</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this situation it sounds like they made the right decision. I&#039;m all for the latest &amp; greatest, but only if it makes for a better system, which I don&#039;t think would be the case given the current regulatory environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this situation it sounds like they made the right decision. I&#8217;m all for the latest &amp; greatest, but only if it makes for a better system, which I don&#8217;t think would be the case given the current regulatory environment.</p>
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