Comments on: Livable Streets Concerns Overshadowed at Geary Blvd BRT Meeting

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:42:49 +0000

tuttut – I don’t think we need more buses, they just need to be used better – which is what BRT will do. Simply shifting more buses to limited status would help considerably, as now there are far too many buses being used to pick up one or two passengers at the local stops, rather than providing more service to the limited stops that have 10-20 passengers (at all times of the day). Fewer stops to stop at = faster service = more runs per day for each bus = more service to those stops = less crammed buses = less time stopped at each stop to let people on/off = better service all around. BRT would only add to this with even faster service and fewer slowdowns from traffic lights, interactions with cars, and all-door proof of payment boarding.

We don’t just need more buses being bunched up on Geary – we need our buses to be used more efficiently. Perhaps after we’re using them efficiently we’ll figure out that we need even more because of increased ridership, but I’m sure that you’ve had the experience of riding a mostly empty 38 following directly behind two packed ones. That type of thing is what’s causing most of the problems.

By: tuttut

tuttut — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:54:07 +0000

I was there for the entire meeting. Most ppl seemed worried about traffic spillover. However, I was waiting to hear how BRT would improve travel on the BUSES. It seemed as though I was one of three ppl asking about how much the Bus experience that is the 38 Geary would improve. I get on at 36thAvenue. By the time the bus reaches 20th Avenue (still in the outer Richmond), it is typically packed standing room only.

The claim that BRT will yield a one-third improvement in passengers carrying – without adding any new buses – is fanciful . What we riders need is MORE buses and cleaner buses. this plan will not add any new buses. The planners and engineers tend to wonks who focus on street-scaping more than considering the people’s riding experience. When asked about this, Zabe Bent answered that Muni was buying more Biodiesel buses! Stupid answer! The citizen was asking about crowded buses and Zabe thought the fuel the engine burns was of concern. It causes me to ask how many of those people actually ride their own product! They should required to ride Muni rather than being issued parking spaces for their seven-series BMWs. Real experience is needed, not micro-modeling like the videogame Frogger, as Zabe oddly explained.

By: Greg

Greg — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:04:40 +0000

Oh Geary Street. We killed the B-Geary to avoid “duplication of service” with that BART line to the ocean you’re still owed, and yet over and over and over again, SF got played to subsidize more lines to ‘burbs that don’t perform.

That “temporary solution” of buses on Geary has been going on for what, 50+ years?

and yet we still sit around, bitch, whine, moan , lie , cheat and steal. and we let the 38 Geary, a line that is the one that handles more riders than any other west of the Mississippi, hobble along with shitty buses.

Yeah, San Francisco, you’re so fucking Green and superior to everyone else. Keep up the great work.

By: Peter Smith

Peter Smith — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:14:25 +0000

‘pedestrian refuge median’ — i like the honesty in this phrase/term.

refuge – n.
————

- a shelter from danger or hardship

- A state of safety, protection or shelter; A place providing safety, protection or shelter; Something or someone turned to for safety or assistance

- a safe place, especially for people being persecuted

- a safe place. Often used to escape predators.

By: Chris

Chris — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:08:47 +0000

Not much new info provided at the meeting, but David Heller was in top form as neighborhood jackass.

By: Josh

Josh — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:13:48 +0000

“You’d think they were building a subway tunnel or an airport or something.”

The timeline of this BRT project isn’t the only thing comparable to a subway. Just wait until you see the price tag!

By: Troy

Troy — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:04:26 +0000

What was their answer to the question of why it has been delayed so long? 2015???? I thought it was supposed to be up and running in 2012. And this has been in the planning process since what? 2003? You’d think they were building a subway tunnel or an airport or something.

By: Wai Yip Tung

Wai Yip Tung — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:13:29 +0000

I concur with rzu. What does the route layout looks like? I worry that the line will have more stops than it needs. What does T-third no going as fast as it should? Would it make the same mistake for not making use of signal priority on major intersection?

By: rzu

rzu — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:21:34 +0000

The reliability improvements are an easy sell to folks who actually depend on the bus to get around town. But it is the pedestrian and streetscape improvements that will garner support for the project from the larger community.

As I understood it, this meeting was meant to address questions about the project, not as a forum for folks to express support or opposition. And aside from some occasionally obnoxious nay-sayers, it was my sense that the vast majority of folks would ultimately support Geary BRT. It is frustrating, however to see a project like Doyle Drive fast-tracked with stimulus money while a much needed improvement like this is still several years from completion.

I’d like to see streetsblog’s take on the alternative proposals. It is clear that further education is needed to build support for fully-featured BRT rather than some watered-down version that doesn’t deliver.