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	<title>Comments on: Valencia Businesses Hope Customers Keep Shopping During Construction</title>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-53381</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to go to Valencia St., but the down economy means thinking twice now about paying more for muni (and dealing with the lousy service) to get there and back. I&#039;m staying in my own neighborhood now (Haight) and planning a move to Europe!  SF was SUCH a better city 20 years ago!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to go to Valencia St., but the down economy means thinking twice now about paying more for muni (and dealing with the lousy service) to get there and back. I&#8217;m staying in my own neighborhood now (Haight) and planning a move to Europe!  SF was SUCH a better city 20 years ago!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Fischer</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-28311</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I have no faith in magazine polls, which tend to have crazy results like ranking Fremont one of the 10 most walkable places in the country.

My place-ranking methodology is based on what clusters of places people take pictures of and post to Flickr or Picasa, on the assumption that if they are taking pictures they are finding interesting things and enjoying themselves.  I know there are all kinds of problems with this, but it&#039;s the most geographically-detailed data source that I know of, and the results for places that I know personally seem to match my intuitions pretty well.

If you have a better way to rank places, I would be eager to know what you consider the most interesting ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I have no faith in magazine polls, which tend to have crazy results like ranking Fremont one of the 10 most walkable places in the country.</p>
<p>My place-ranking methodology is based on what clusters of places people take pictures of and post to Flickr or Picasa, on the assumption that if they are taking pictures they are finding interesting things and enjoying themselves.  I know there are all kinds of problems with this, but it&#8217;s the most geographically-detailed data source that I know of, and the results for places that I know personally seem to match my intuitions pretty well.</p>
<p>If you have a better way to rank places, I would be eager to know what you consider the most interesting ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerrard</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-28221</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerrard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess this is the closest thing this blog gets to a debate about what REALLY makes a place a &quot;livable city.&quot; So here&#039;s a few responses:

SFResident? If you think that promoting small business is a &quot;social justice issue&quot; I&#039;m sorry but you&#039;re kind of out to lunch.  Sure it&#039;s nice if we could all somehow benefit from the wealth of these businesses, but Mom and Pop ain&#039;t who they used to be, in case you didn&#039;t notice.  And of course I don&#039;t think poor people want to live in &quot;ugly areas&quot;. But our first priority, of course, is to live anywhere at all...


Eric Fischer? If you&#039;re criteria for what is or is not interesting comes from some magazine poll then you&#039;re probably one of the people who are making this city decidedly more BORING...

Aaron B.? If you think less cars and more people = more interesting you obviously have never visited a shopping mall.

John Murphy, those upscale neighborhoods you mentioned have long received their injections of city money, and in any case, except for some stretches of Lombard, it&#039;s been a long time since those areas had anything near the diversity of the mission. And c&#039;mon, do you really think the &quot;spectrum of people&quot; that traverses Valencia street is more important to the city than the $$ that the increasingly upscale shopping district brings in? If that were the case, I can think of a good number of other SF neighborhoods with such &quot;spectrums&quot; that might be getting more than the dregs that they currently get...

Pat, see above. And p.s.? You can take your &quot;foundation for human activity&quot; and stick it someplace nice and shady.  That way all your nice active humans won&#039;t get too sunburned .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess this is the closest thing this blog gets to a debate about what REALLY makes a place a &#8220;livable city.&#8221; So here&#8217;s a few responses:</p>
<p>SFResident? If you think that promoting small business is a &#8220;social justice issue&#8221; I&#8217;m sorry but you&#8217;re kind of out to lunch.  Sure it&#8217;s nice if we could all somehow benefit from the wealth of these businesses, but Mom and Pop ain&#8217;t who they used to be, in case you didn&#8217;t notice.  And of course I don&#8217;t think poor people want to live in &#8220;ugly areas&#8221;. But our first priority, of course, is to live anywhere at all&#8230;</p>
<p>Eric Fischer? If you&#8217;re criteria for what is or is not interesting comes from some magazine poll then you&#8217;re probably one of the people who are making this city decidedly more BORING&#8230;</p>
<p>Aaron B.? If you think less cars and more people = more interesting you obviously have never visited a shopping mall.</p>
<p>John Murphy, those upscale neighborhoods you mentioned have long received their injections of city money, and in any case, except for some stretches of Lombard, it&#8217;s been a long time since those areas had anything near the diversity of the mission. And c&#8217;mon, do you really think the &#8220;spectrum of people&#8221; that traverses Valencia street is more important to the city than the $$ that the increasingly upscale shopping district brings in? If that were the case, I can think of a good number of other SF neighborhoods with such &#8220;spectrums&#8221; that might be getting more than the dregs that they currently get&#8230;</p>
<p>Pat, see above. And p.s.? You can take your &#8220;foundation for human activity&#8221; and stick it someplace nice and shady.  That way all your nice active humans won&#8217;t get too sunburned .</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-27271</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got to admit, I am a little bummed to see Valencia go under the knife yet again after all the repaving/pluming/random projects over the last few years. You can finally ride down Valencia without hitting a huge metal plate on the ground or dodging a cement truck...However I think the project will be amazing once completed and fully support it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to admit, I am a little bummed to see Valencia go under the knife yet again after all the repaving/pluming/random projects over the last few years. You can finally ride down Valencia without hitting a huge metal plate on the ground or dodging a cement truck&#8230;However I think the project will be amazing once completed and fully support it!</p>
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		<title>By: soylatte</title>
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		<dc:creator>soylatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the construction hazards will make the biker in the pic invest in some brakes! :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the construction hazards will make the biker in the pic invest in some brakes! :p</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small business owners are not &quot;the rich.&quot;  Small businesses actually provide a sort of growing medium or foundation for human activity that encourages your &quot;artful poor&quot; that provide vitality to the city to come and make a community.  Small business-rich areas getting beautification also makes sense because they are high traffic areas so the greatest number of people will benefit from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small business owners are not &#8220;the rich.&#8221;  Small businesses actually provide a sort of growing medium or foundation for human activity that encourages your &#8220;artful poor&#8221; that provide vitality to the city to come and make a community.  Small business-rich areas getting beautification also makes sense because they are high traffic areas so the greatest number of people will benefit from them.</p>
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		<title>By: taomom</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-27041</link>
		<dc:creator>taomom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at this video of a recently renovated street in Holland. 

http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/08/evolution-of-one-dutch-road-over-200.html

Note how many bikes are parked outside shops.  Note how few cars.  Note the physically separated bike lanes!  Note the wonderful, beautifully smooth pavement in the bike lanes.  (Before I started riding my bike in the city, I never realized smooth pavement could make a person drool, or at least sigh helplessly and hopelessly, as one does over young love.) 

Though I realize the comparisons with Valencia Street are limited, it&#039;s good to see how a country that really knows what it&#039;s doing with bikes does it.  I have to say though that that place is flat--really, really flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at this video of a recently renovated street in Holland. </p>
<p><a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/08/evolution-of-one-dutch-road-over-200.html" rel="nofollow">http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/08/evolution-of-one-dutch-road-over-200.html</a></p>
<p>Note how many bikes are parked outside shops.  Note how few cars.  Note the physically separated bike lanes!  Note the wonderful, beautifully smooth pavement in the bike lanes.  (Before I started riding my bike in the city, I never realized smooth pavement could make a person drool, or at least sigh helplessly and hopelessly, as one does over young love.) </p>
<p>Though I realize the comparisons with Valencia Street are limited, it&#8217;s good to see how a country that really knows what it&#8217;s doing with bikes does it.  I have to say though that that place is flat&#8211;really, really flat.</p>
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		<title>By: John Murphy</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-27021</link>
		<dc:creator>John Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And note - they aren&#039;t doing this on Union, Lombard, Chestnut. They are doing it on Valencia - which services a much wider spectrum of people. Spectrum includes ALL sectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And note &#8211; they aren&#8217;t doing this on Union, Lombard, Chestnut. They are doing it on Valencia &#8211; which services a much wider spectrum of people. Spectrum includes ALL sectors.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B.</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-27011</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is less cars and more people definitely means more interesting...

And ideally, these projects should be done in commercial districts everywhere regardless of class, so that they would no longer be viewed in such a light. Everyone in any city should have the right to safe, welcoming streets. This is a beginning, and I couldn&#039;t be happier for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is less cars and more people definitely means more interesting&#8230;</p>
<p>And ideally, these projects should be done in commercial districts everywhere regardless of class, so that they would no longer be viewed in such a light. Everyone in any city should have the right to safe, welcoming streets. This is a beginning, and I couldn&#8217;t be happier for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Fischer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is... there basically *are* no greener pastures.  You can argue the exact rankings, but San Francisco is something like the fourth most interesting place in the world (behind New York, London, and Paris).  Nowhere else within hundreds of miles comes close.  If new residents are in fact dragging it down, it still has a long, long way to fall (or Berkeley has a long way to rise) before people looking for an interesting life in the area would choose to go anywhere else instead.  Where would you tell them to go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is&#8230; there basically *are* no greener pastures.  You can argue the exact rankings, but San Francisco is something like the fourth most interesting place in the world (behind New York, London, and Paris).  Nowhere else within hundreds of miles comes close.  If new residents are in fact dragging it down, it still has a long, long way to fall (or Berkeley has a long way to rise) before people looking for an interesting life in the area would choose to go anywhere else instead.  Where would you tell them to go?</p>
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		<title>By: SFResident</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/08/18/valencia-businesses-hope-customers-keep-shopping-during-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-26981</link>
		<dc:creator>SFResident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerrard, building a livable city that can be enjoyed by all San Franciscians and creating a walkable, bikeable, vibrant city are not mutually exclusive. 
 
Indeed, I would argue that promoting small businesses and comprehensive transit solutions are two issues at the heart of urban social justice.

Unless you really think that poor people enjoy living in ugly areas with nothing but big-box stores and no access to affordable public transit. . . 

It&#039;s not the &quot;only way&quot; to build a better and more just city but it&#039;s certainly one piece in the puzzle. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerrard, building a livable city that can be enjoyed by all San Franciscians and creating a walkable, bikeable, vibrant city are not mutually exclusive. </p>
<p>Indeed, I would argue that promoting small businesses and comprehensive transit solutions are two issues at the heart of urban social justice.</p>
<p>Unless you really think that poor people enjoy living in ugly areas with nothing but big-box stores and no access to affordable public transit. . . </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the &#8220;only way&#8221; to build a better and more just city but it&#8217;s certainly one piece in the puzzle. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: John Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marcos - is that you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marcos &#8211; is that you?</p>
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		<title>By: Gerrard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerrard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do some people act as though the only way to support one&#039;s city is by promoting small business and beautification projects?  I mean, of course it&#039;s no accident that districts with lots of merchants or with capital intensive development projects get primary access to money and services. No one on this blog has confronted John Ross&#039;s observation that SF has become a &quot;sanctuary city for the rich.&quot; Is this what the readers of streetsblog want? How many of these readers have lived here long enough to see how much vitality and real artfulness has been lost in the city due to this official city policy of kicking out the poor?  I don&#039;t care how many bike lanes we got now, if SF-style gentrification continues we will all suffer the cultural homogeneity that it inevitably brings, and all the well-heeled or working hipsters who have migrated here because they thought it was an interesting place to live will have to go seek greener pastures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do some people act as though the only way to support one&#8217;s city is by promoting small business and beautification projects?  I mean, of course it&#8217;s no accident that districts with lots of merchants or with capital intensive development projects get primary access to money and services. No one on this blog has confronted John Ross&#8217;s observation that SF has become a &#8220;sanctuary city for the rich.&#8221; Is this what the readers of streetsblog want? How many of these readers have lived here long enough to see how much vitality and real artfulness has been lost in the city due to this official city policy of kicking out the poor?  I don&#8217;t care how many bike lanes we got now, if SF-style gentrification continues we will all suffer the cultural homogeneity that it inevitably brings, and all the well-heeled or working hipsters who have migrated here because they thought it was an interesting place to live will have to go seek greener pastures.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dang -- impressed that the city seems to be making the right noises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dang &#8212; impressed that the city seems to be making the right noises.</p>
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