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	<title>Comments on: High Speed Rail Authority Says Ruling Won&#8217;t Affect Timeline or Funding</title>
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		<title>By: bikerider</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I read something about Port officials worrying about heights with an electrified Caltrain and HSR prohibiting shipment of cars on the railroad tracks from the piers of San Francisco ...&quot;

@Jamie: The Caltrain ROW is (basically) 4 tracks wide. With Pacheco alignment, all 4 tracks are required for Caltrain+HSR+Baby Bullet; whereas Altamont only requires 3 tracks. Thus, the Authority would have to figure out some way to accommodate both freight and high-speed trains on the same track.

Under FRA rules, combining freight and high-speed passenger trains incurs gigantic operational and capital costs. It is not at all clear how this is going to done. Most likely outcome is severe degradation in the quality of passenger service in order to accommodate a relatively tiny number of freight trains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I read something about Port officials worrying about heights with an electrified Caltrain and HSR prohibiting shipment of cars on the railroad tracks from the piers of San Francisco &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>@Jamie: The Caltrain ROW is (basically) 4 tracks wide. With Pacheco alignment, all 4 tracks are required for Caltrain+HSR+Baby Bullet; whereas Altamont only requires 3 tracks. Thus, the Authority would have to figure out some way to accommodate both freight and high-speed trains on the same track.</p>
<p>Under FRA rules, combining freight and high-speed passenger trains incurs gigantic operational and capital costs. It is not at all clear how this is going to done. Most likely outcome is severe degradation in the quality of passenger service in order to accommodate a relatively tiny number of freight trains.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jamie:

For a detailed review of freight on the peninsula check out the following two links:

http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/03/freight-on-peninsula.html
http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/effect-of-heavy-freight.html

In summary, yes the port wants the tunnels to be made larger and the wires to be higher. There is very little advantage to that as there are only 3 trains a day, with very little demand for more. It would add $100s of millions to the project, a complete waste in my opinion.

@bikerider

Diridon station is going to be built at Santa Clara County &amp; San Jose Cities expense, the stations are the responsibility of the community surrounding if they want more than the bare bones, just like SF is paying for Transbay Terminal. It&#039;s outside the scope of HSR.

As far as what I would cancel I would cancel all highway and airport expansion projects. Are you aware that the HSR bill includes almost $1 billion for feeder services to HSR? That&#039;s outside of the regular funding stream for transit, so HSR is actually creating more funds for transit, not taking away.

@joseph

There&#039;s no law that says the project level EIR can&#039;t be done concurrently with program level, meaning they can use all the added detail of the project level to fill in the gaps in the program level. No added time, no added cost.

If you actually read the court ruling you would know that it validated the studies that resulted in choosing Pacheco. for more detail see:

http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/atherton-et-al-lawsuit-decided.html
http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/initial-ruling-in-atherton-v-chsra.html
(The first link is a more neutral view, although the author is an HSR supporter, the second link has an embedded copy of the ruling)

The court has not yet made it&#039;s ruling as to exactly what steps will need to be taken by CHSRA, but from the latest documents it looks like it won&#039;t be too serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jamie:</p>
<p>For a detailed review of freight on the peninsula check out the following two links:</p>
<p><a href="http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/03/freight-on-peninsula.html" rel="nofollow">http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/03/freight-on-peninsula.html</a><br />
<a href="http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/effect-of-heavy-freight.html" rel="nofollow">http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/effect-of-heavy-freight.html</a></p>
<p>In summary, yes the port wants the tunnels to be made larger and the wires to be higher. There is very little advantage to that as there are only 3 trains a day, with very little demand for more. It would add $100s of millions to the project, a complete waste in my opinion.</p>
<p>@bikerider</p>
<p>Diridon station is going to be built at Santa Clara County &amp; San Jose Cities expense, the stations are the responsibility of the community surrounding if they want more than the bare bones, just like SF is paying for Transbay Terminal. It&#8217;s outside the scope of HSR.</p>
<p>As far as what I would cancel I would cancel all highway and airport expansion projects. Are you aware that the HSR bill includes almost $1 billion for feeder services to HSR? That&#8217;s outside of the regular funding stream for transit, so HSR is actually creating more funds for transit, not taking away.</p>
<p>@joseph</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no law that says the project level EIR can&#8217;t be done concurrently with program level, meaning they can use all the added detail of the project level to fill in the gaps in the program level. No added time, no added cost.</p>
<p>If you actually read the court ruling you would know that it validated the studies that resulted in choosing Pacheco. for more detail see:</p>
<p><a href="http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/atherton-et-al-lawsuit-decided.html" rel="nofollow">http://caltrain-hsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/atherton-et-al-lawsuit-decided.html</a><br />
<a href="http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/initial-ruling-in-atherton-v-chsra.html" rel="nofollow">http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/08/initial-ruling-in-atherton-v-chsra.html</a><br />
(The first link is a more neutral view, although the author is an HSR supporter, the second link has an embedded copy of the ruling)</p>
<p>The court has not yet made it&#8217;s ruling as to exactly what steps will need to be taken by CHSRA, but from the latest documents it looks like it won&#8217;t be too serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None.. they all should be funded and much more so.. and gas tax raised so bike lanes and transit can make a much greater impact on life here..BTW I have no car and use trasnit all the time.do you? Another thing I find about people that are against this project seems to be  personal reasons against Kopp/Diridon..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None.. they all should be funded and much more so.. and gas tax raised so bike lanes and transit can make a much greater impact on life here..BTW I have no car and use trasnit all the time.do you? Another thing I find about people that are against this project seems to be  personal reasons against Kopp/Diridon..</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read something about Port officials worrying about heights with an electrified Caltrain and HSR prohibiting shipment of cars on the railroad tracks from the piers of San Francisco ... anyone know more about this?  Is this another hurdle or just noise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read something about Port officials worrying about heights with an electrified Caltrain and HSR prohibiting shipment of cars on the railroad tracks from the piers of San Francisco &#8230; anyone know more about this?  Is this another hurdle or just noise?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, we need to build enough transit infrastructure to transform American cities as dramatically during the first half of the twenty-first century as freeways transformed them during the second half of the twentieth century.  

There is sentiment in Washington for large increases of spending on high-speed rail and on other transit.  No need to cancel other transit projects to pay for high-speed rail.  We can have enough funding for both, if environmentalists move beyond our usual stance of opposition and realize that this is a time when we can have huge positive accomplishments by transforming energy infrastructure and transforming transporation infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, we need to build enough transit infrastructure to transform American cities as dramatically during the first half of the twenty-first century as freeways transformed them during the second half of the twentieth century.  </p>
<p>There is sentiment in Washington for large increases of spending on high-speed rail and on other transit.  No need to cancel other transit projects to pay for high-speed rail.  We can have enough funding for both, if environmentalists move beyond our usual stance of opposition and realize that this is a time when we can have huge positive accomplishments by transforming energy infrastructure and transforming transporation infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: bikerider</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even worse than car-heads are the &quot;build-it-at-any-cost&quot; &quot;we-can-fix-design-problems-later&quot; foamers. A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon we are talking real money. 

Tell me, Glen, what other worthwhile transit projects would you cancel in order to pay for Diridon&#039;s monument to himself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even worse than car-heads are the &#8220;build-it-at-any-cost&#8221; &#8220;we-can-fix-design-problems-later&#8221; foamers. A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon we are talking real money. </p>
<p>Tell me, Glen, what other worthwhile transit projects would you cancel in order to pay for Diridon&#8217;s monument to himself?</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The system is going to get built as it should. This 140 year old railroad is out of date and will be upgraded with grade free crossings and clean electric power.There is nothing wrong with this project..Stop the backward
thinking and your auto brain only culture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The system is going to get built as it should. This 140 year old railroad is out of date and will be upgraded with grade free crossings and clean electric power.There is nothing wrong with this project..Stop the backward<br />
thinking and your auto brain only culture</p>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Executive director Morshed can put whatever spin on this ruling he wants; however, when the final ruling comes out he is going to be very much disappointed.

For sure a new EIR will have to be prepared since the SJ to Gilroy route will have to be restudied.  This will take at least 1 year  During this time, all work on the project level EIR for the Bay Area must stop, since any work done there would have been prejudiced by not having the under lying program level EIR finished and certified.

All this points to the poor planning that has been done thus far, and has led some real High Speed Rail experts to conclude this project ranks number one as being the worst designed project of its kind ever.  

This is what you get when you have politicians, rather than knowledgeable professionals designing a system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Executive director Morshed can put whatever spin on this ruling he wants; however, when the final ruling comes out he is going to be very much disappointed.</p>
<p>For sure a new EIR will have to be prepared since the SJ to Gilroy route will have to be restudied.  This will take at least 1 year  During this time, all work on the project level EIR for the Bay Area must stop, since any work done there would have been prejudiced by not having the under lying program level EIR finished and certified.</p>
<p>All this points to the poor planning that has been done thus far, and has led some real High Speed Rail experts to conclude this project ranks number one as being the worst designed project of its kind ever.  </p>
<p>This is what you get when you have politicians, rather than knowledgeable professionals designing a system.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the flawed news reports out there, I actually read the court resolution and came to the same conclusion, despite the minor items that were found in favor of the plaintiff (anti-HSR) this is a pretty clear win for the HSR project and California.

Still waiting for final word from the judge on what steps will be required of CHSRA, but I&#039;m very hopeful that there will be minimal impact on the progress of the HSR project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the flawed news reports out there, I actually read the court resolution and came to the same conclusion, despite the minor items that were found in favor of the plaintiff (anti-HSR) this is a pretty clear win for the HSR project and California.</p>
<p>Still waiting for final word from the judge on what steps will be required of CHSRA, but I&#8217;m very hopeful that there will be minimal impact on the progress of the HSR project.</p>
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