SF is too liberal to simply knock a tree down or do something without 100000 people complaining. NY cleaned up so fast in several areas With such a higher population and it turned for the better.

This project will be halted several times. They are already blaming the wrong population (drivers) for market being filthy. Does this all make sense?

Let’s not blame this on cars. Byciclists seem to care less about the neighborhood improment and more about how wide the lanes will be.

Hopefully they can make market a cleaner place with or without byciclists or cars.

After 12 years in SF, I still can’t believe how this “progressive” city continues to trot out old, failed ideas.

Bye bye, Union Square and other upper market destinations. Let’s see how much shopping the bicycle crowd is willing to do. Market was the only practical way to get from downtown to West Portal and other south west neighboorhoods.

For the “progressive” idiots that claim to build a great city by blocking traffic flow: A great city is a regional destination. SF wuld decline if it was not for the suburbs patronizing the stores, restraurants and cultural instutitions. Go ahead, shut your self in, then you can peddle around the ghost town by yourself.

Seriously, the Luddite opposition to road improvements in SF makes a once pleasant City utterly wretched to get through, or to ship goods and services. Most of the traffic on Market is commercial shipments to and from the businesses there, and people who have no choice but to cross it, now that other routes no longer exist.

Those who bring us the farce of “traffic calming” have a “butt-plug” mentality; they enjoy constipating the traffic flow for those who need to commute in or through the area. Many of them are Luddites who want us to ride unicycles whereever we go. (OK, bicycles, but anyone carrying groceries and children knows this to be unrealistic.)

No, I really don’t care what people do in their private lives, but the metaphor is really appropriate when you think of the demographics of the “rainbow city”.

What to do? Give San Francisco underground tunnels and bypasses. That would give The City a Traffic Enema; perhaps perhaps many there could appreciate that metaphor.

However, if the only negative side effect of the trial is that the people living on Market or staying in its hotels won’t be getting pizza, that’s something I can live with. I hate delivering there anyway.

If drivers want to keep going straight on Market they’ll just follow the yellow taxis and claim ignornace of the law.

Like you’ve observed, the pedestrian volume is lower mid-Market and all the Muni lines on Market make island stops (there won’t be any busses in those side lanes where the cars are waiting to turn) until after the second right turn at 8th. Drivers who don’t take the hint at 10th, will be forced off at 8th, clearing the lane for the 5 and 6 which make a curbside stop the next block.

I wonder, though if forced right turns are going to work out. After all with all the people and people on bikes there, the people in cars will have to wait. that could end up causing some accidents, as people in cars get impatient.

I see this a lot at Irving and 9th. Every day someone is nearly run over by impatient drivers who HAVE to make that right turn, and don’t pay attention to the people in the crosswalk.

Market from 8th to 6th is one of the most unattractive and uninviting areas of SF due to its perpetuation of homelessness, drug sales and prostitution in this area. If this is to be central travel corridor eliminating private vehicle access, why not remove the buildings and structures along this stretch and replace it with extended green space to Civic Center, UN plaza and the old Hibernia Bank Building?

I’d like to see a bike shop open or relocate to the Mid-Market area. That would be cool.