Comments on: Reaction to Market Street Pilot Seems Overwhemingly Positive http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/reaction-to-market-street-pilot-seems-overwhemingly-positive/ Covering San Francisco's livable streets movement Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ZA http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/reaction-to-market-street-pilot-seems-overwhemingly-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-34821 ZA Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:56:46 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=41231#comment-34821 Suggestion: shop for the 6 weeks of the pilot test in that area of Market St, and make sure you tell the merchants you are there to support these improvements to Market. You've got the following breakfast/lunch selections for you and your coworkers: - At least 3 donut place - At least 2 taquerias - At least 2 pizza joints - At least 3 sandwich shops - At least 1 juice place - At least 2 burger places - At least 2 Chinese food sites - At least 1 Brazilian meat place (burn the grease on a ride later) ...and a handful of clothing stores. (too bad those pool halls are gone, I think) And that's only along Market Street itself, when there isn't the Farmers Market. If only 1% of bicycling commuters on Market St stopped over for a doughnut or a banana, it'll make a good impression, and its something almost all of us can afford. Suggestion: shop for the 6 weeks of the pilot test in that area of Market St, and make sure you tell the merchants you are there to support these improvements to Market.

You’ve got the following breakfast/lunch selections for you and your coworkers:
- At least 3 donut place
- At least 2 taquerias
- At least 2 pizza joints
- At least 3 sandwich shops
- At least 1 juice place
- At least 2 burger places
- At least 2 Chinese food sites
- At least 1 Brazilian meat place

(burn the grease on a ride later)

…and a handful of clothing stores. (too bad those pool halls are gone, I think)

And that’s only along Market Street itself, when there isn’t the Farmers Market.

If only 1% of bicycling commuters on Market St stopped over for a doughnut or a banana, it’ll make a good impression, and its something almost all of us can afford.

]]> By: the greasybear http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/reaction-to-market-street-pilot-seems-overwhemingly-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-34781 the greasybear Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:28:28 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=41231#comment-34781 Accepting the idea that remaining vehicle speeds will increase absent private motorists on lower Market Street, is it resonable for Akit to direct our worry over potential pedestrians safety explicitly on cyclists, and on cyclists alone? No. The MTA's SF 2007 Collision Report shows cyclists were involved in only 3% of injury collisions with pedestrians (pp 14-15). None of those collisions were fatal. Why focus only on the supposed danger posed by the least dangerous vehicles on the road, then? Bias. Cyclists, we're constantly told by non-cyclists, are uniquely naughty--let the facts be damned! Accepting the idea that remaining vehicle speeds will increase absent private motorists on lower Market Street, is it resonable for Akit to direct our worry over potential pedestrians safety explicitly on cyclists, and on cyclists alone?

No. The MTA’s SF 2007 Collision Report shows cyclists were involved in only 3% of injury collisions with pedestrians (pp 14-15). None of those collisions were fatal. Why focus only on the supposed danger posed by the least dangerous vehicles on the road, then? Bias. Cyclists, we’re constantly told by non-cyclists, are uniquely naughty–let the facts be damned!

]]> By: SFResident http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/reaction-to-market-street-pilot-seems-overwhemingly-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-34651 SFResident Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:16:43 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=41231#comment-34651 @jym - As a pedestrian and non-bicyclist myself I've had more than my share of run-ins with obnoxious bicyclists who show patent disregard for the safety of others. What's needed is to convince people like Akit that traffic calming and creating a car-free Market Street will actaully make bicycling in the city safer and, as a result, encourage a wider demographic to take-up bicycling. Like Michael Smith I firmly believe that it will - it's much easier to ride civilly when you don't have to dodge crazy drivers. Hell, I might even consider riding a bike myself if the city's infrastructure improves significantly. . . . For every grumpy-jerky zealot like Rob Anderson there are a thousand people, bicyclists and non-bicyclists alike, who just want safe, clean, and orderly streets. @jym – As a pedestrian and non-bicyclist myself I’ve had more than my share of run-ins with obnoxious bicyclists who show patent disregard for the safety of others. What’s needed is to convince people like Akit that traffic calming and creating a car-free Market Street will actaully make bicycling in the city safer and, as a result, encourage a wider demographic to take-up bicycling. Like Michael Smith I firmly believe that it will – it’s much easier to ride civilly when you don’t have to dodge crazy drivers. Hell, I might even consider riding a bike myself if the city’s infrastructure improves significantly. . . .

For every grumpy-jerky zealot like Rob Anderson there are a thousand people, bicyclists and non-bicyclists alike, who just want safe, clean, and orderly streets.

]]> By: Jym http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/reaction-to-market-street-pilot-seems-overwhemingly-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-34611 Jym Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:10:28 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=41231#comment-34611 =v= Akit has wandered over here from SFGate, where it is mandatory to respond to any mention of bicycles or transit by squawking about helmets and fixies. =v= Akit has wandered over here from SFGate, where it is mandatory to respond to any mention of bicycles or transit by squawking about helmets and fixies.

]]> By: Michael Smith http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/reaction-to-market-street-pilot-seems-overwhemingly-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-34561 Michael Smith Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:09:49 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=41231#comment-34561 Akit, do you really think that the problem daredevil bicyclists are the ones who will be more encouraged to use Market St? Seems that just the opposite will be true. By making Market St safer for bicyclists then we should see an increase in bicyclists who were avoiding bicycling there because they felt unsafe, the polar opposite of daredevil cyclists. This is exactly who we should be helping. The daredevil cyclists can find some other crappy street to take risks on. Akit, do you really think that the problem daredevil bicyclists are the ones who will be more encouraged to use Market St? Seems that just the opposite will be true. By making Market St safer for bicyclists then we should see an increase in bicyclists who were avoiding bicycling there because they felt unsafe, the polar opposite of daredevil cyclists. This is exactly who we should be helping. The daredevil cyclists can find some other crappy street to take risks on.

]]> By: Akit http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/reaction-to-market-street-pilot-seems-overwhemingly-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-34551 Akit Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:31:52 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=41231#comment-34551 I'm worried if bicyclists (especially those daredevils who don't wear helmets and/or use fixed gear bikes) will go even faster and be even more dangerous to pedestrians. I’m worried if bicyclists (especially those daredevils who don’t wear helmets and/or use fixed gear bikes) will go even faster and be even more dangerous to pedestrians.

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