Comments on: Muni Reaps the Benefits of Reduced Traffic on Market http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/ Covering San Francisco's livable streets movement Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Wai Yip Tung http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40701 Wai Yip Tung Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:16:32 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40701 @Jamison of course a serious study should cover many weeks and months. The first week is likely to be a week of confusion. This trial last 6 months (I think) so it should give a good indication on the impact. Theoretically SFMTA has all the data. But I doubt anyone in there is crunching numbers and generating report, unless they have funding to hire million dollar consultant. That's why there is the DataSF initiative. They realize the general public has far more creative idea than people inside the bureaucrat. So it benefits the society by opening up data to the public and let them run with it. @Jamison of course a serious study should cover many weeks and months. The first week is likely to be a week of confusion. This trial last 6 months (I think) so it should give a good indication on the impact.

Theoretically SFMTA has all the data. But I doubt anyone in there is crunching numbers and generating report, unless they have funding to hire million dollar consultant. That’s why there is the DataSF initiative. They realize the general public has far more creative idea than people inside the bureaucrat. So it benefits the society by opening up data to the public and let them run with it.

]]> By: Jamison Wieser http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40491 Jamison Wieser Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:54:01 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40491 @Wai Yip Tung analyzing just the first day is premature, SFMTA (though not the general public) has access to NextBus data and will be able to compare. At a more basic level there are also manual counts of the number and mode of each vehicle done over a couple days which will be done again during the trial to compare. Feedback is also one of the ways they'll judge how this goes, email: marketstreet@sfgov.org @Wai Yip Tung analyzing just the first day is premature, SFMTA (though not the general public) has access to NextBus data and will be able to compare. At a more basic level there are also manual counts of the number and mode of each vehicle done over a couple days which will be done again during the trial to compare.

Feedback is also one of the ways they’ll judge how this goes, email: marketstreet@sfgov.org

]]> By: Quinn http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40371 Quinn Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:55:20 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40371 This is one of the best changes the city of San Francisco has made since I've moved here! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!! This is one of the best changes the city of San Francisco has made since I’ve moved here! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!

]]> By: jim http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40211 jim Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:00:25 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40211 @Dave: Yes, this may be the most significant part of this story and it has not been covered at all by the MSM. By prioritizing public transit over private vehicles, we have shown that performance and reliability can be significantly improved. If we can consistently improve MUNI, people will notice and new riders will be attracted, creating a positive feedback loop. More MUNI riders means fewer cars, which means faster public transit and so on. This change on Market St. is very exciting and I hope that becomes permanent. @Dave: Yes, this may be the most significant part of this story and it has not been covered at all by the MSM. By prioritizing public transit over private vehicles, we have shown that performance and reliability can be significantly improved. If we can consistently improve MUNI, people will notice and new riders will be attracted, creating a positive feedback loop. More MUNI riders means fewer cars, which means faster public transit and so on.

This change on Market St. is very exciting and I hope that becomes permanent.

]]> By: Wai Yip Tung http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40171 Wai Yip Tung Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:32:19 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40171 I submitted the request for NextBus historical data to datasf.org. Please help to vote it up if you find this a good idea :) http://www.datasf.org/ideas//story.php?title=muni-historical-gps-location I submitted the request for NextBus historical data to datasf.org. Please help to vote it up if you find this a good idea :)

http://www.datasf.org/ideas//story.php?title=muni-historical-gps-location

]]> By: Dave http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40161 Dave Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:38:57 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40161 This seems like the big deal part of this and we need to make sure the MSM (mainstream media) does not lose sight of it! If this really boosts Muni's on-time percentage, then shouldn't this forced detour be mandatory since voters decided to impose a mandatory 85% on-time percentage on Muni? This seems like the big deal part of this and we need to make sure the MSM (mainstream media) does not lose sight of it!

If this really boosts Muni’s on-time percentage, then shouldn’t this forced detour be mandatory since voters decided to impose a mandatory 85% on-time percentage on Muni?

]]> By: zsolt http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40121 zsolt Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:10:04 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40121 I got out of BART on my evening commute just to ride it. It was pretty good. I think it's a step in the right direction. I still see plenty of dangers to bikers, most prominently the buses. They are indeed faster and maybe it was just my bad luck, but I experienced a heightened level of conflict between buses and bikes. There was one bus half-assedly trying to overtake me, and it ended up being a little too close for comfort to me for a while, until it had to slow down for a stop. I also heard buses honking at cyclist though I have no idea why (it happened behind me). Gazing into my crystal ball, I think this experiment will be adopted permanently, and unless buses will be separated from bikes, at some point we will see a Muni bus maiming or killing a cyclist. All sorts of hilarity will ensue. I got out of BART on my evening commute just to ride it. It was pretty good. I think it’s a step in the right direction. I still see plenty of dangers to bikers, most prominently the buses. They are indeed faster and maybe it was just my bad luck, but I experienced a heightened level of conflict between buses and bikes. There was one bus half-assedly trying to overtake me, and it ended up being a little too close for comfort to me for a while, until it had to slow down for a stop. I also heard buses honking at cyclist though I have no idea why (it happened behind me). Gazing into my crystal ball, I think this experiment will be adopted permanently, and unless buses will be separated from bikes, at some point we will see a Muni bus maiming or killing a cyclist. All sorts of hilarity will ensue.

]]> By: Troy http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40061 Troy Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:49:33 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40061 Any word on what traffic on Mission was like? Was the ride on the 14-Mission delayed? Any word on what traffic on Mission was like? Was the ride on the 14-Mission delayed?

]]> By: Wai Yip Tung http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/muni-reaps-the-benefits-of-reduced-traffic-on-market/comment-page-1/#comment-40051 Wai Yip Tung Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:48:58 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=51641#comment-40051 Time for NextBus to contribute something to this experiment. The have all the historical GPS data. It is simply for them answer conclusively if buses are indeed travel any faster. Time for NextBus to contribute something to this experiment. The have all the historical GPS data. It is simply for them answer conclusively if buses are indeed travel any faster.

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