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	<title>Comments on: David Byrne Turns His Book Reading Into Bicycle Advocacy Primer</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/30/david-byrne-turns-his-book-reading-into-bicycle-advocacy-primer/comment-page-1/#comment-40791</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Walk your bike on the sidewalk&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Walk your bike on the sidewalk&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Karlenzig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Karlenzig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to get cyclists from not running stop signs and red lights is to develop planning that treats cyclists as traffic. The &quot;Continual Flow&quot; (http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006824.html) approach used in The Netherlands is an excellent method, and it was designed by a full-time bicycle planner with considerable city funding for infrastructure. Supervisor Chiu said SF has &quot;7 or 8&quot; such positions when I asked him during the Q&amp;A if the city has a full-time bicycle planner. He was referring to traffic engineers, I believe. Dedicated staff that study, ride and implement bicycle lanes, bicycle stop lights, bicycle ferries, bicycle bridges and bicycle parking facilities, and yes, smooth paths without metal lips and wheel traps, will be the result.

You can bet that more cyclists will have time and composure enough to then be able to stop at red lights and stops signs, just as they do in The Netherlands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to get cyclists from not running stop signs and red lights is to develop planning that treats cyclists as traffic. The &#8220;Continual Flow&#8221; (<a href="http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006824.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006824.html</a>) approach used in The Netherlands is an excellent method, and it was designed by a full-time bicycle planner with considerable city funding for infrastructure. Supervisor Chiu said SF has &#8220;7 or 8&#8243; such positions when I asked him during the Q&amp;A if the city has a full-time bicycle planner. He was referring to traffic engineers, I believe. Dedicated staff that study, ride and implement bicycle lanes, bicycle stop lights, bicycle ferries, bicycle bridges and bicycle parking facilities, and yes, smooth paths without metal lips and wheel traps, will be the result.</p>
<p>You can bet that more cyclists will have time and composure enough to then be able to stop at red lights and stops signs, just as they do in The Netherlands.</p>
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		<title>By: rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without embarrassment I roll my eyes. When a 200 lb cyclist at 20 mph causes as much damage as a 4,000 lb car at 40 mph I will care. Seriously, you have a monkey with a gun on one corner, and a dog peeing on a lamppost on the other, which is the more serious problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without embarrassment I roll my eyes. When a 200 lb cyclist at 20 mph causes as much damage as a 4,000 lb car at 40 mph I will care. Seriously, you have a monkey with a gun on one corner, and a dog peeing on a lamppost on the other, which is the more serious problem?</p>
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		<title>By: zsolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>zsolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Troy: I&#039;m not rolling my eyes at people complaining about reckless, rude bikers. I&#039;m rolling my eyes that people are doing it when it distracts from the discussion at hand. Don&#039;t get me wrong -- reckless bike riding is a serious and relevant topic, though questions about &quot;near misses&quot; do arise, as Greasy Bear and others pointed out.

But punting to the rogue biker thing, as it *always* seems to happen when bike infrastructure is being discussed, completely stifles the actual discussion about bike infrastructure.

See, when a new parking structure is built (for example), the topic that is talked about is whether it will make car driving more efficient or not. Critics such as most people on this site, don&#039;t start relaying their anecdotes such as &quot;but I was almost ran over by a car last weekend&quot; or &quot;car drivers I see never fully stop at a stop sign&quot;. That is pretty much irrelevant to the discussion whether the construction of new car facilities or the policy of encouraging more driving, is good and should be pursued by the city or state or country or not.

It&#039;s almost as if many people feel that bikers don&#039;t &quot;deserve&quot; more investment in bike infrastructure, until all of them completely obey all traffic laws, at all times. This is a huge double standard, given the enormous subsidies car driving and parking currently receives, despite the number of rogue and reckless drivers and the number of deaths cars cause, mostly by bad or drunken driving. It further cements the entitlement car drivers feel to be given free reign on the roads and relegating everybody else to picking through the crumbs of funds that are left behind by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Troy: I&#8217;m not rolling my eyes at people complaining about reckless, rude bikers. I&#8217;m rolling my eyes that people are doing it when it distracts from the discussion at hand. Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; reckless bike riding is a serious and relevant topic, though questions about &#8220;near misses&#8221; do arise, as Greasy Bear and others pointed out.</p>
<p>But punting to the rogue biker thing, as it *always* seems to happen when bike infrastructure is being discussed, completely stifles the actual discussion about bike infrastructure.</p>
<p>See, when a new parking structure is built (for example), the topic that is talked about is whether it will make car driving more efficient or not. Critics such as most people on this site, don&#8217;t start relaying their anecdotes such as &#8220;but I was almost ran over by a car last weekend&#8221; or &#8220;car drivers I see never fully stop at a stop sign&#8221;. That is pretty much irrelevant to the discussion whether the construction of new car facilities or the policy of encouraging more driving, is good and should be pursued by the city or state or country or not.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost as if many people feel that bikers don&#8217;t &#8220;deserve&#8221; more investment in bike infrastructure, until all of them completely obey all traffic laws, at all times. This is a huge double standard, given the enormous subsidies car driving and parking currently receives, despite the number of rogue and reckless drivers and the number of deaths cars cause, mostly by bad or drunken driving. It further cements the entitlement car drivers feel to be given free reign on the roads and relegating everybody else to picking through the crumbs of funds that are left behind by them.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikesonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with greasybear on this. Many, many times in Chinatown I have near misses and I see them coming a half block away. I see a head bobbing through the crowd and think to myself, &quot;this idiot is just going to stroll into the street.&quot; Sure enough, about 5 ft from interaction, the person steps off the curb right into my path. I have to slam on the breaks, turn the bike and pray for the best. So far I have been lucky.

On the other hand, my wife walks to work from North Beach to FiDi and almost always comes home with a story of near misses. I trust her judgement as a ped so the biker was probably at fault, but she isn&#039;t out to take every bike off the street because of this. She just becomes that much more aware of her surroundings.

This just goes to show that &quot;near-misses&quot; aren&#039;t so cut and dry. As long as we have to share the limited public ROW then there are going to be instances that upset one party or the next.

Which leads me to what Jamison said, you can&#039;t just harp on the SFBC because you are mad at some biker. You should be supporting SFBC because they promote safe biking and programs that teach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with greasybear on this. Many, many times in Chinatown I have near misses and I see them coming a half block away. I see a head bobbing through the crowd and think to myself, &#8220;this idiot is just going to stroll into the street.&#8221; Sure enough, about 5 ft from interaction, the person steps off the curb right into my path. I have to slam on the breaks, turn the bike and pray for the best. So far I have been lucky.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my wife walks to work from North Beach to FiDi and almost always comes home with a story of near misses. I trust her judgement as a ped so the biker was probably at fault, but she isn&#8217;t out to take every bike off the street because of this. She just becomes that much more aware of her surroundings.</p>
<p>This just goes to show that &#8220;near-misses&#8221; aren&#8217;t so cut and dry. As long as we have to share the limited public ROW then there are going to be instances that upset one party or the next.</p>
<p>Which leads me to what Jamison said, you can&#8217;t just harp on the SFBC because you are mad at some biker. You should be supporting SFBC because they promote safe biking and programs that teach it.</p>
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		<title>By: taomom</title>
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		<dc:creator>taomom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a pedestrian, bicyclist, transit passenger, and motorist in San Francisco.  I observe that some pedestrians, bicyclists, transit passengers, and motorists are rude, discourteous and appear to willingly endanger themselves or others through their actions.  Though I might like to, I sadly assure you I cannot control or alter the behavior of other pedestrians, bicyclists, transit passengers, and motorists even though I am one of them.  What I can do is advocate for better infrastructure that will make bicycle/car altercations less likely.  I can advocate for better pedestrian infrastructure that will make the streets safer and more pleasant.  I can applaud efforts to reduce private car traffic and improve all forms of collective transit.  And I can try to drive less and to walk, bike and Muni more.  Most of all, what I can do is be respectful of my fellow denizens of the streets and treat them all with courtesy as best I can.  

When I am on my bicycle, I cede the right of way when it is not mine.  When I drive my car, I try to plan a few extra minutes into my schedule so I&#039;m not tempted to drive at unsafe speeds or make unsafe turns.  And when I walk, I make sure I don&#039;t step in front of moving objects, and I don&#039;t cross against lights. I even wave cars through four-way stops if they&#039;ve arrived at the intersection before me.  It&#039;s called taking your turn.

Courtesy and respect.  Infrastructure, infrastructure.  Courtesy and respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a pedestrian, bicyclist, transit passenger, and motorist in San Francisco.  I observe that some pedestrians, bicyclists, transit passengers, and motorists are rude, discourteous and appear to willingly endanger themselves or others through their actions.  Though I might like to, I sadly assure you I cannot control or alter the behavior of other pedestrians, bicyclists, transit passengers, and motorists even though I am one of them.  What I can do is advocate for better infrastructure that will make bicycle/car altercations less likely.  I can advocate for better pedestrian infrastructure that will make the streets safer and more pleasant.  I can applaud efforts to reduce private car traffic and improve all forms of collective transit.  And I can try to drive less and to walk, bike and Muni more.  Most of all, what I can do is be respectful of my fellow denizens of the streets and treat them all with courtesy as best I can.  </p>
<p>When I am on my bicycle, I cede the right of way when it is not mine.  When I drive my car, I try to plan a few extra minutes into my schedule so I&#8217;m not tempted to drive at unsafe speeds or make unsafe turns.  And when I walk, I make sure I don&#8217;t step in front of moving objects, and I don&#8217;t cross against lights. I even wave cars through four-way stops if they&#8217;ve arrived at the intersection before me.  It&#8217;s called taking your turn.</p>
<p>Courtesy and respect.  Infrastructure, infrastructure.  Courtesy and respect.</p>
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		<title>By: the greasybear</title>
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		<dc:creator>the greasybear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troy simply assumes a cyclist must have done something wrong if only a pedestrian claims to have been &quot;almost hit&quot; by the cyclist. We have no reason to make such an assumption, however.

What does &quot;almost hit&quot; mean? Does it mean a cyclist has acted maliciously or recklessly, as Troy and his ilk imply, by aiming his bike at some hapless and random pedestrian? 

Or might it mean the pedestrian simply failed to look for cyclists, became startled and spooked when one of those cyclists he never sees passed closeby, and projected his own cluelessness onto the cyclist? &quot;He didn&#039;t see me!&quot; Really? How do you know that?

Cyclists do not intend to hit pedestrians--we&#039;d be hurt just as badly, or worse, in a bike-ped collision. Cyclists also don&#039;t ignore pedestrians, because we cannot afford the luxury of pedestrian-style cluelessness. If we did, we would crash into pedestrians all the time. Yet the statistics simply do not bear out that sort of collision rate. 

&quot;Almost hit&quot; is a pedestrian&#039;s-eye-view of a traffic scenario the cyclist almost certainly saw coming for quite some time--assuming the pedestrian didn&#039;t just fling his body out into the roadway maliciously or recklessly, right Troy? &quot;Almost hit&quot; means nobody was actually hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troy simply assumes a cyclist must have done something wrong if only a pedestrian claims to have been &#8220;almost hit&#8221; by the cyclist. We have no reason to make such an assumption, however.</p>
<p>What does &#8220;almost hit&#8221; mean? Does it mean a cyclist has acted maliciously or recklessly, as Troy and his ilk imply, by aiming his bike at some hapless and random pedestrian? </p>
<p>Or might it mean the pedestrian simply failed to look for cyclists, became startled and spooked when one of those cyclists he never sees passed closeby, and projected his own cluelessness onto the cyclist? &#8220;He didn&#8217;t see me!&#8221; Really? How do you know that?</p>
<p>Cyclists do not intend to hit pedestrians&#8211;we&#8217;d be hurt just as badly, or worse, in a bike-ped collision. Cyclists also don&#8217;t ignore pedestrians, because we cannot afford the luxury of pedestrian-style cluelessness. If we did, we would crash into pedestrians all the time. Yet the statistics simply do not bear out that sort of collision rate. </p>
<p>&#8220;Almost hit&#8221; is a pedestrian&#8217;s-eye-view of a traffic scenario the cyclist almost certainly saw coming for quite some time&#8211;assuming the pedestrian didn&#8217;t just fling his body out into the roadway maliciously or recklessly, right Troy? &#8220;Almost hit&#8221; means nobody was actually hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jamison - just listened to the recording again, cause you got me nervous.  It was &quot;pub.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jamison &#8211; just listened to the recording again, cause you got me nervous.  It was &#8220;pub.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamison Wieser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamison Wieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like rex said, the same thing said about cyclist behavior applies to cars, pedestrians, cabbies, delivery truck drivers, etc. I got into an argument with a friend after lecture when he said he wanted to hear the panelists own up to the behavior of some cyclists. Why? You wouldn&#039;t blame AAA for the behavior of every driver in the country, even those with insurance from a different company, or Walk SF for every jaywalking. Lets try and focus on the part where the Bike Coalition is teaching bike safety to kids and handing out free helmets instead.

I thought what Proffessor Teits said was they walked &quot;three miles across country paths and sat in front of &lt;i&gt;a pond&lt;/i&gt; and then walked back--actually quite nice&quot;, not to sit in front of a &lt;i&gt;pub&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like rex said, the same thing said about cyclist behavior applies to cars, pedestrians, cabbies, delivery truck drivers, etc. I got into an argument with a friend after lecture when he said he wanted to hear the panelists own up to the behavior of some cyclists. Why? You wouldn&#8217;t blame AAA for the behavior of every driver in the country, even those with insurance from a different company, or Walk SF for every jaywalking. Lets try and focus on the part where the Bike Coalition is teaching bike safety to kids and handing out free helmets instead.</p>
<p>I thought what Proffessor Teits said was they walked &#8220;three miles across country paths and sat in front of <i>a pond</i> and then walked back&#8211;actually quite nice&#8221;, not to sit in front of a <i>pub</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>=v= There was no eye-rolling here. That accusation does bring to mind the emotion-laden misemphasis that underlies this discourse, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>=v= There was no eye-rolling here. That accusation does bring to mind the emotion-laden misemphasis that underlies this discourse, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why the real concerns of pedestrians who don&#039;t appreciate near-misses from bicycles are always given the eye-rolling treatment on blogs like this.  The concerns are real and bicycle proponents aren&#039;t gaining any friends when riders drive just as rudely as automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why the real concerns of pedestrians who don&#8217;t appreciate near-misses from bicycles are always given the eye-rolling treatment on blogs like this.  The concerns are real and bicycle proponents aren&#8217;t gaining any friends when riders drive just as rudely as automobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: ZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Woonerfs! Here are my candidate SF streets for a Woonerf treatment:
- Clement
- Judah
- Taraval
- Page
- 17th St
- Harrison
- Fillmore

Your candidates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Woonerfs! Here are my candidate SF streets for a Woonerf treatment:<br />
- Clement<br />
- Judah<br />
- Taraval<br />
- Page<br />
- 17th St<br />
- Harrison<br />
- Fillmore</p>
<p>Your candidates?</p>
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		<title>By: rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we get drivers to stop at stop signs and red lights, or obey the speed limit, or pay attention to the road and not kill people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we get drivers to stop at stop signs and red lights, or obey the speed limit, or pay attention to the road and not kill people?</p>
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		<title>By: zsolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>zsolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the summary. I was sad that I couldn&#039;t get tickets, but reading the part about the Q&amp;A I&#039;m actually glad I didn&#039;t go. It would have driven me nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the summary. I was sad that I couldn&#8217;t get tickets, but reading the part about the Q&amp;A I&#8217;m actually glad I didn&#8217;t go. It would have driven me nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Dees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Dees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....everything about this article is wonderful. .... excepting the problem.  Thank you again David Byrne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..everything about this article is wonderful. &#8230;. excepting the problem.  Thank you again David Byrne.</p>
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		<title>By: CBrinkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBrinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sorry I missed it, we left it too late to get tickets.  Did anyone have a good answer for how to stop the cyclists from &quot;mis-behaving&quot;?  My response is always more infrastructure, more cyclists.  Treat cyclists like rats, some behave like rats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sorry I missed it, we left it too late to get tickets.  Did anyone have a good answer for how to stop the cyclists from &#8220;mis-behaving&#8221;?  My response is always more infrastructure, more cyclists.  Treat cyclists like rats, some behave like rats.</p>
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