Comments on: Nevius Does a Great Job Blaming the Victim and Distorting Data http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/ Covering San Francisco's livable streets movement Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:33:52 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Fran Taylor http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-46281 Fran Taylor Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:46:23 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-46281 Those numbers don't add up to the total of 690 car/ped collisions, and the report doesn't tell us what caused the remaining 122, but perhaps they were the result of unsafe speed (589 total) or signal/sign (472) violations. Since no other category of fault mentions pedestrians, it's a good bet that driver fault was responsible in most of those unaccounted-for 122 collisions, so the percentages cited earlier are likely accurate. Those numbers don't add up to the total of 690 car/ped collisions, and the report doesn't tell us what caused the remaining 122, but perhaps they were the result of unsafe speed (589 total) or signal/sign (472) violations. Since no other category of fault mentions pedestrians, it's a good bet that driver fault was responsible in most of those unaccounted-for 122 collisions, so the percentages cited earlier are likely accurate.

]]> By: EL http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-46101 EL Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:51:28 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-46101 Matthew, See page 5 of the 2007 MTA Report, which states that 330 collisions are caused by the motorist violating the pedestrian right-of-way, while 238 collisions are caused by a pedestrian violation. So peds are at fault 42% of the time, and drivers are at fault 58% of the time (not 1/3, 2/3). Matthew,

See page 5 of the 2007 MTA Report, which states that 330 collisions are caused by the motorist violating the pedestrian right-of-way, while 238 collisions are caused by a pedestrian violation. So peds are at fault 42% of the time, and drivers are at fault 58% of the time (not 1/3, 2/3).

]]> By: friscolex http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45981 friscolex Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:20:37 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45981 I had to turn the video off after "I feel bad for people raised in SF whose parents didn't love them enough to teach them to look both ways". I'm all about sarcasm, but the parents who raised me in SF taught me to be street-savvy on the bus (MUNI commuter starting in middle school, oh! when I think of all the emissions saved from my mom not driving me everyday across town...!) and walking around all kinds of neighborhoods. I had to turn the video off after "I feel bad for people raised in SF whose parents didn't love them enough to teach them to look both ways". I'm all about sarcasm, but the parents who raised me in SF taught me to be street-savvy on the bus (MUNI commuter starting in middle school, oh! when I think of all the emissions saved from my mom not driving me everyday across town...!) and walking around all kinds of neighborhoods.

]]> By: mikesonn http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45931 mikesonn Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:25:05 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45931 When I think comedy, I think people getting hit by buses and trains. When I think urban commentary, I think C.W. Posting this video on his blog is a perfect marriage of asshole-ness and ignorance. When I think comedy, I think people getting hit by buses and trains. When I think urban commentary, I think C.W. Posting this video on his blog is a perfect marriage of asshole-ness and ignorance.

]]> By: Fran Taylor http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45911 Fran Taylor Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:19:26 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45911 More important than Devious Nevius is the attitude of the SFPD. In 2003, a traffic cop addressed the Southeast Mission Pedestrian Safety Working Group. He boldly stated that most pedestrian fatalities were largely the pedestrian's fault and handed out a table to support this assertion. Sure enough, "Pedestrian fault" was at the top of the list. Reading down, however, one found that "Speeding," "Failure to Yield," "Red-light Running," etc., were all listed separately, so no one of those categories would total more than "Pedestrian Fault," even though all fell under "Driver Fault" and together totaled twice the number of "Pedestrian Fault." And this was the cop who went out to lecture schoolkids on traffic safety! More important than Devious Nevius is the attitude of the SFPD. In 2003, a traffic cop addressed the Southeast Mission Pedestrian Safety Working Group. He boldly stated that most pedestrian fatalities were largely the pedestrian's fault and handed out a table to support this assertion. Sure enough, "Pedestrian fault" was at the top of the list. Reading down, however, one found that "Speeding," "Failure to Yield," "Red-light Running," etc., were all listed separately, so no one of those categories would total more than "Pedestrian Fault," even though all fell under "Driver Fault" and together totaled twice the number of "Pedestrian Fault." And this was the cop who went out to lecture schoolkids on traffic safety!

]]> By: zsolt http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45871 zsolt Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:05:19 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45871 He lives in Walnut Creek, IIRC. He lives in Walnut Creek, IIRC.

]]> By: Troy http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45861 Troy Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:43:21 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45861 Nevus lives in the 'burbs? Is that for real? which one? It does explain his clueless columns. Nevus lives in the 'burbs? Is that for real? which one? It does explain his clueless columns.

]]> By: zsolt http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45851 zsolt Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:19:23 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45851 I agree that Chuck is pretty much irrelevant by now, but I think it's kind of Streetsblog's job to go on the record calling him out. He is still much more mainstream and "credible" than Rob Anderson, say. So thank you for this. I agree that Chuck is pretty much irrelevant by now, but I think it's kind of Streetsblog's job to go on the record calling him out. He is still much more mainstream and "credible" than Rob Anderson, say. So thank you for this.

]]> By: mattymatt http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45831 mattymatt Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:05:57 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45831 It is so weird that the Chron has someone covering San Francisco who does not actually know what it is like to live here. It is so weird that the Chron has someone covering San Francisco who does not actually know what it is like to live here.

]]> By: Greg http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45801 Greg Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:05:35 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45801 Surprise! The Chronicle is a dying shithole. I remember once he interviewed me about parking tickets. Most of what I was said never made it into the paper, and he even emailed me to "apologize" because they had just gone through a round of cuts and that editing of the paper was compromised when the article ran. How does one euthanize a dying corporate beast? Surprise! The Chronicle is a dying shithole.

I remember once he interviewed me about parking tickets. Most of what I was said never made it into the paper, and he even emailed me to "apologize" because they had just gone through a round of cuts and that editing of the paper was compromised when the article ran.

How does one euthanize a dying corporate beast?

]]> By: Justin http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45751 Justin Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:30:50 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45751 Thank you Matthew. I sent a nasty, immature email to Up-Chuck Nevius this morning in a fit of frustration and disbelief. This is much more constructive. We have to keep the pressure on these guys, otherwise they get away with looking like legitimate columnists. - J Thank you Matthew. I sent a nasty, immature email to Up-Chuck Nevius this morning in a fit of frustration and disbelief. This is much more constructive. We have to keep the pressure on these guys, otherwise they get away with looking like legitimate columnists.

- J

]]> By: SFResident http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45741 SFResident Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:19:01 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45741 Remember folks, Nevius lives in the suburban East Bay. He writes for a dying, conservative paper with a primarily suburban audience. He's not invested in building functional urban spaces, he doesn't care about maintaining the vibrant diversity of the city, and he has nothing but contempt for the "kinds of people" who actually live within the city limits. His agenda is to make San Francisco a sterile place for suburban commuters and weekenders. His dream city is a slightly denser version of Walnut Creek. Except with more off-Broadway plays and overpriced tapas restaurants. Remember folks, Nevius lives in the suburban East Bay. He writes for a dying, conservative paper with a primarily suburban audience.

He's not invested in building functional urban spaces, he doesn't care about maintaining the vibrant diversity of the city, and he has nothing but contempt for the "kinds of people" who actually live within the city limits.

His agenda is to make San Francisco a sterile place for suburban commuters and weekenders. His dream city is a slightly denser version of Walnut Creek. Except with more off-Broadway plays and overpriced tapas restaurants.

]]> By: Nick http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/nevius-does-a-great-job-blaming-the-victim-and-distorting-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45731 Nick Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:56:26 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=65591#comment-45731 He's not relevant. I'd be more concerned that we have a Mayor that doesn't walk the streets or take MUNI or live in a bad neighborhood. Why is the leadership of this city so disconnected from the everyday problems the rest of us have to face? He's not relevant. I'd be more concerned that we have a Mayor that doesn't walk the streets or take MUNI or live in a bad neighborhood. Why is the leadership of this city so disconnected from the everyday problems the rest of us have to face?

]]>