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	<title>Comments on: Jaywalking as a Marker of Livable Streets</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Smith</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/21/jaywalking-as-a-market-of-livable-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-47281</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What&#039;s needed in places like the Rust Belt are a mixture of indigenous solutions and imported ideas that are tailored to the local community.&lt;/em&gt;

every city/town needs well-designed streets and places and infrastructure and policy. let local flavors shine thru? of course. but to suggest that we should not first look to &#039;urban widgets&#039; (aka design patterns) to get solutions is wrong. 

no &#039;R&amp;D&#039; is necessary. it&#039;s been done. design the cycletrack, and install it. design the wider sidewalk and stop rounding the edges so much at intersections, and install it. change your zoning regs and implement them. this stuff is not rocket science. it takes a special kind of conceit to believe that we&#039;re all so special that we can&#039;t live off the hard work that others have done before us.

SF is diverse? no. we have no black middle class to speak of. that, to me, means &#039;no diversity&#039;.

outside of that, though, i&#039;m begging SF for the infrastructure that Toronto has -- streetcars -- in what is probably the most totally diverse city on the planet -- and i don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s tail who lives there or why -- just that they have awesome public transit. give me that cookie-cutter stuff, please. and i&#039;ll take the cookie-cutter bike infrastructure from New York and Portland and any other place that has it -- i don&#039;t care how big or white those towns are. bring on the cookie-cutter -- no ego problems over this way.

the whole &#039;wait wait wait, we need cultural sensitivity because our kids are different from your kids -- they don&#039;t need safe infrastructure the way you have provided it to your kids, White Portland,&#039; is maddening.

sometimes race is not the pertinent issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What&#8217;s needed in places like the Rust Belt are a mixture of indigenous solutions and imported ideas that are tailored to the local community.</em></p>
<p>every city/town needs well-designed streets and places and infrastructure and policy. let local flavors shine thru? of course. but to suggest that we should not first look to &#8216;urban widgets&#8217; (aka design patterns) to get solutions is wrong. </p>
<p>no &#8216;R&amp;D&#8217; is necessary. it&#8217;s been done. design the cycletrack, and install it. design the wider sidewalk and stop rounding the edges so much at intersections, and install it. change your zoning regs and implement them. this stuff is not rocket science. it takes a special kind of conceit to believe that we&#8217;re all so special that we can&#8217;t live off the hard work that others have done before us.</p>
<p>SF is diverse? no. we have no black middle class to speak of. that, to me, means &#8216;no diversity&#8217;.</p>
<p>outside of that, though, i&#8217;m begging SF for the infrastructure that Toronto has &#8212; streetcars &#8212; in what is probably the most totally diverse city on the planet &#8212; and i don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s tail who lives there or why &#8212; just that they have awesome public transit. give me that cookie-cutter stuff, please. and i&#8217;ll take the cookie-cutter bike infrastructure from New York and Portland and any other place that has it &#8212; i don&#8217;t care how big or white those towns are. bring on the cookie-cutter &#8212; no ego problems over this way.</p>
<p>the whole &#8216;wait wait wait, we need cultural sensitivity because our kids are different from your kids &#8212; they don&#8217;t need safe infrastructure the way you have provided it to your kids, White Portland,&#8217; is maddening.</p>
<p>sometimes race is not the pertinent issue.</p>
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		<title>By: mcas</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/21/jaywalking-as-a-market-of-livable-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-47271</link>
		<dc:creator>mcas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I already wrote this once, and I think Sblog&#039;s spam-bot ate my comment because I linked to the article...  

I think that it&#039;s important for Livable Streets folks to stop using the phrase &#039;jaywalking&#039;-- it&#039;s like the &#039;Death Tax&#039; or &#039;Pro-Life&#039;-- &#039;jaywalking&#039; was created and promoted by pro-car folks to dominate the streets with cars.  See Peter Norton&#039;s &quot;Street Rivals: Jaywalking and the Invention of the Motor Age Street&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I already wrote this once, and I think Sblog&#8217;s spam-bot ate my comment because I linked to the article&#8230;  </p>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s important for Livable Streets folks to stop using the phrase &#8216;jaywalking&#8217;&#8211; it&#8217;s like the &#8216;Death Tax&#8217; or &#8216;Pro-Life&#8217;&#8211; &#8216;jaywalking&#8217; was created and promoted by pro-car folks to dominate the streets with cars.  See Peter Norton&#8217;s &#8220;Street Rivals: Jaywalking and the Invention of the Motor Age Street&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mcas</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/21/jaywalking-as-a-market-of-livable-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-47211</link>
		<dc:creator>mcas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see &#039;jaywalking&#039; eliminated from the Livable Streets movement&#039;s vocabulary-- it&#039;s like referring collisions as &#039;accidents&#039; or estate tax as &#039;death tax&#039; or anti-choice as &#039;pro-life&#039; --  Jaywalking was the norm, until cars took over streets and the pro-car movement used the term to get pedestrians out of the way.  See Peterson&#039;s &quot;Street Rivals: Jaywalking and the Invention of the Motor Age Street&quot; - 
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/technology_and_culture/v048/48.2norton.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see &#8216;jaywalking&#8217; eliminated from the Livable Streets movement&#8217;s vocabulary&#8211; it&#8217;s like referring collisions as &#8216;accidents&#8217; or estate tax as &#8216;death tax&#8217; or anti-choice as &#8216;pro-life&#8217; &#8212;  Jaywalking was the norm, until cars took over streets and the pro-car movement used the term to get pedestrians out of the way.  See Peterson&#8217;s &#8220;Street Rivals: Jaywalking and the Invention of the Motor Age Street&#8221; -<br />
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		<title>By: Virginia Balogh-Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/21/jaywalking-as-a-market-of-livable-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-47161</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Balogh-Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up in Manhattan, I learned to take jaywalking for granted (and yes, I did walk to school by myself beginning in second grade!) 

Living in SF, I do as the natives do, crossing on the green, and have taught my children accordingly. But my kids seem to think that crossing with the light will somehow keep them safe in itself. It has been quite a battle to convince them that they still have to look both ways, so I have started carefully crossing with them against the light while making a big deal of the importance of looking all around when doing so. Since SF allows cars to turn on a red light (NYC does not allow this), pedestrians are at a distinct disadvantage here. I would prefer my kids to be alert jaywalkers rather than lazy law abiding citizens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in Manhattan, I learned to take jaywalking for granted (and yes, I did walk to school by myself beginning in second grade!) </p>
<p>Living in SF, I do as the natives do, crossing on the green, and have taught my children accordingly. But my kids seem to think that crossing with the light will somehow keep them safe in itself. It has been quite a battle to convince them that they still have to look both ways, so I have started carefully crossing with them against the light while making a big deal of the importance of looking all around when doing so. Since SF allows cars to turn on a red light (NYC does not allow this), pedestrians are at a distinct disadvantage here. I would prefer my kids to be alert jaywalkers rather than lazy law abiding citizens!</p>
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