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	<title>Comments on: Will San Francisco Review Its Uneasy Relationship With Pedicabs?</title>
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		<title>By: Richard G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a mother who isn&#039;t confined to a wheel chair, doesn&#039;t use a walker, but when we were given the option of taking a pedicab to the end of the pier at Huntington Beach, we took it.  It was a great experience and allowed someone who is mobility impaired to the degree of getting a handicapped parking permit, the opportunity to enjoy a part of the world normally only enjoyed by those able to walk.  I think that pedicabs should BE REQUIRED!.  How is it that the government can spend federal funds on promoting bicycles and not be required to promote bicycles for those not able to actually pedal them.  Pedicabs are a broader issue - it is one that advocates for handicapped access should pursue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a mother who isn&#8217;t confined to a wheel chair, doesn&#8217;t use a walker, but when we were given the option of taking a pedicab to the end of the pier at Huntington Beach, we took it.  It was a great experience and allowed someone who is mobility impaired to the degree of getting a handicapped parking permit, the opportunity to enjoy a part of the world normally only enjoyed by those able to walk.  I think that pedicabs should BE REQUIRED!.  How is it that the government can spend federal funds on promoting bicycles and not be required to promote bicycles for those not able to actually pedal them.  Pedicabs are a broader issue &#8211; it is one that advocates for handicapped access should pursue</p>
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		<title>By: ZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep wondering about the business model for pedicabs. 

As it is, they aren&#039;t going to compete well with intra- and inter-city options that MUNI, BART, and motorized taxis provide. They also cost more than your own bike rental. 

As a conveyance for tourists through limited areas, they&#039;re scraping a decent business, but remain a lot smaller than either rental bikes or rental scooter-vehicles used by tourists. Pedicabs could operate successfully for similar business in GG Park, parts of the Avenues, even the Mission and parts of SOMA - but it has a large question mark hanging over it.

As a distributed fleet in support of major BART and MUNI stops for everyday use and heavy shopping loads, I doubt they&#039;ll ever be price-competitive. You&#039;d need a lot of them, in the absence of inexpensive motor-taxis (who have all the advantages now), to get labor costs down to a price a consumer can haggle for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep wondering about the business model for pedicabs. </p>
<p>As it is, they aren&#8217;t going to compete well with intra- and inter-city options that MUNI, BART, and motorized taxis provide. They also cost more than your own bike rental. </p>
<p>As a conveyance for tourists through limited areas, they&#8217;re scraping a decent business, but remain a lot smaller than either rental bikes or rental scooter-vehicles used by tourists. Pedicabs could operate successfully for similar business in GG Park, parts of the Avenues, even the Mission and parts of SOMA &#8211; but it has a large question mark hanging over it.</p>
<p>As a distributed fleet in support of major BART and MUNI stops for everyday use and heavy shopping loads, I doubt they&#8217;ll ever be price-competitive. You&#8217;d need a lot of them, in the absence of inexpensive motor-taxis (who have all the advantages now), to get labor costs down to a price a consumer can haggle for.</p>
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		<title>By: ZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious what the specific arrangement is that has taxi stands in front of major downtown hotels? I imagine there should be some sort of permit for that &#039;take&#039; of public space for private enterprise. 

It seems to me that if a hotel were to want pedicabs as a service option for their room-stay customers, it would be a relatively simple matter for a modified permit and a different space arrangement along their front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious what the specific arrangement is that has taxi stands in front of major downtown hotels? I imagine there should be some sort of permit for that &#8216;take&#8217; of public space for private enterprise. </p>
<p>It seems to me that if a hotel were to want pedicabs as a service option for their room-stay customers, it would be a relatively simple matter for a modified permit and a different space arrangement along their front.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thousands of cars, not 15 pedicabs, are a real problem for everyone that SFPD should focus on to protect pedestrians, bicyclist and motorist, killed by cars!  How does 15 Pedicabs traveling in bike lanes cause a problem that needs SFPD control?  

Taxi cabs making money on our streets are not restricted; cars doubled park in traffic and bicycle lanes, park in driveways and on the sidewalk all the time should get tickets. 

And what a privilege it is to use public streets and sidewalks, SF Pedicabs pays City taxes and the SF Port a whopping 10% of its gross revenue to stage on the Embarcadero. 

Until the City implements the excellent balance for Better Streets and a Livable City plan. along the Embarcadero, creating  multi use paths, a safe and healthy place where seniors and parents with there children could walk or ride  –  away from car traffic, noise and pollutions – there will be no improvements to our city’s environmental and economic health.  The jewels of our city will be tarnished by massive car congestion, pollution and noise – not pretty site for locals or visitors.

Keith Saggers has been the only pedicabs owner to create a sustainable business and jobs for 15 drivers for the past 20 years! SF Pedicabs is part of the solution, a people powered fun ride that is a safe and healthy form of transportation – and one of the best way to see The City! 

When all else stops, pedicabs can quickly transport locals and tourist to San Francisco businesses, plus our great cities hidden jewels!  That is why at the MTA/ISCOTT meeting, with a SFPD representative at the table, the extended route to Moscone Center was approved – only to have, once again, a road block set up by the SFPD permits department.

Carolyn Blair:
40 year SF waterfront resident, pedestrian, bicyclist, 
and now a senior who still like to ride on car free Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thousands of cars, not 15 pedicabs, are a real problem for everyone that SFPD should focus on to protect pedestrians, bicyclist and motorist, killed by cars!  How does 15 Pedicabs traveling in bike lanes cause a problem that needs SFPD control?  </p>
<p>Taxi cabs making money on our streets are not restricted; cars doubled park in traffic and bicycle lanes, park in driveways and on the sidewalk all the time should get tickets. </p>
<p>And what a privilege it is to use public streets and sidewalks, SF Pedicabs pays City taxes and the SF Port a whopping 10% of its gross revenue to stage on the Embarcadero. </p>
<p>Until the City implements the excellent balance for Better Streets and a Livable City plan. along the Embarcadero, creating  multi use paths, a safe and healthy place where seniors and parents with there children could walk or ride  –  away from car traffic, noise and pollutions – there will be no improvements to our city’s environmental and economic health.  The jewels of our city will be tarnished by massive car congestion, pollution and noise – not pretty site for locals or visitors.</p>
<p>Keith Saggers has been the only pedicabs owner to create a sustainable business and jobs for 15 drivers for the past 20 years! SF Pedicabs is part of the solution, a people powered fun ride that is a safe and healthy form of transportation – and one of the best way to see The City! </p>
<p>When all else stops, pedicabs can quickly transport locals and tourist to San Francisco businesses, plus our great cities hidden jewels!  That is why at the MTA/ISCOTT meeting, with a SFPD representative at the table, the extended route to Moscone Center was approved – only to have, once again, a road block set up by the SFPD permits department.</p>
<p>Carolyn Blair:<br />
40 year SF waterfront resident, pedestrian, bicyclist,<br />
and now a senior who still like to ride on car free Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
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		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should pedicabs - a zero carbon transportation alternative - be held to a higher standard with regards to the public street than taxis or private vehicles?  If we can find a way to handle pick ups and drop offs in taxis, we can surely figure out a way to accommodate them in pedicabs.  In a transit first city (adopted policy), we should be doing everything we can to support and incentivize environmentally friendly and socially responsible transportation choices.  The current Police code and ISCOTT policies do in fact the opposite by making pedicabs an unattractive and inefficient transportation choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should pedicabs &#8211; a zero carbon transportation alternative &#8211; be held to a higher standard with regards to the public street than taxis or private vehicles?  If we can find a way to handle pick ups and drop offs in taxis, we can surely figure out a way to accommodate them in pedicabs.  In a transit first city (adopted policy), we should be doing everything we can to support and incentivize environmentally friendly and socially responsible transportation choices.  The current Police code and ISCOTT policies do in fact the opposite by making pedicabs an unattractive and inefficient transportation choice.</p>
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		<title>By: jon winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also this film by a participant in the workshop.
http://bikescape.blogspot.com/2008/07/free-wheelies-pedicabs-of-new-york.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also this film by a participant in the workshop.<br />
<a href="http://bikescape.blogspot.com/2008/07/free-wheelies-pedicabs-of-new-york.html" rel="nofollow">http://bikescape.blogspot.com/2008/07/free-wheelies-pedicabs-of-new-york.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jon winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year at the Car-free Cities Conference in Portland I recorded a workshop on Pedicabs with Steve Meyer of Main Street Pedi-cabs, Peter Meitzler of Manhattan Rickshaw, filmaker Frederic Choiniere, and Jonathan Magnes of PDX Pedicabs.

http://bikescape.blogspot.com/2008/07/pedicab-solution.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year at the Car-free Cities Conference in Portland I recorded a workshop on Pedicabs with Steve Meyer of Main Street Pedi-cabs, Peter Meitzler of Manhattan Rickshaw, filmaker Frederic Choiniere, and Jonathan Magnes of PDX Pedicabs.</p>
<p><a href="http://bikescape.blogspot.com/2008/07/pedicab-solution.html" rel="nofollow">http://bikescape.blogspot.com/2008/07/pedicab-solution.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: CBrinkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBrinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no right to operate a business on a public street. It&#039;s a privilege.&quot;

Let&#039;s remind the taxi cab drivers of this fact.  Can we ask to restrict their routes as well and keep them off Market, Oak and Fell, and the Wiggle?  Makes more sense then restricting pedi cabs - taxi cabs are far more dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no right to operate a business on a public street. It&#8217;s a privilege.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s remind the taxi cab drivers of this fact.  Can we ask to restrict their routes as well and keep them off Market, Oak and Fell, and the Wiggle?  Makes more sense then restricting pedi cabs &#8211; taxi cabs are far more dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Golden Gate Park, the underground parking lot that serves the De Young and Academy of Sciences is full by 11:00 AM on weekends, and people park and walk long distances.  Seems like a perfect pedicab habitat. Central Park is home to hundreds of pedicabs, and business thrives. Why not Golden Gate Park? As a would-be pedicab rider, I don&#039;t relish the idea of hauling busy shoppers and their booty through Union Square traffic. But Golden Gate Park calls to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Golden Gate Park, the underground parking lot that serves the De Young and Academy of Sciences is full by 11:00 AM on weekends, and people park and walk long distances.  Seems like a perfect pedicab habitat. Central Park is home to hundreds of pedicabs, and business thrives. Why not Golden Gate Park? As a would-be pedicab rider, I don&#8217;t relish the idea of hauling busy shoppers and their booty through Union Square traffic. But Golden Gate Park calls to me!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrienne Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There would be plenty of space on Market street if we just got around to finally closing it to private cars.  I hate riding in cabs, but a pedicab might be fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would be plenty of space on Market street if we just got around to finally closing it to private cars.  I hate riding in cabs, but a pedicab might be fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Close Market Street to cars!  Buses, bikes, taxis and pedicabs only!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Close Market Street to cars!  Buses, bikes, taxis and pedicabs only!</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like they should make the process easier, maybe only disallow them on 1 lane streets.

If new york can have pedicabs and horse drawn carriages on the streets, I think we can manage to find a way to have a few more pedicabs on our streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like they should make the process easier, maybe only disallow them on 1 lane streets.</p>
<p>If new york can have pedicabs and horse drawn carriages on the streets, I think we can manage to find a way to have a few more pedicabs on our streets.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikesonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ferry Building area on the EMB is, by far, the most dangerous part of my bike ride. Cabs just come and go as they please, the bike lane was obviously put in so valets and rich assholes can double park, and who put those pesky blinkers on cars anyway if no one uses them. I would say 95% of the close calls that I get into are because people just don&#039;t use blinkers.

But as for the pedicabs, most of the time they are out of the way, but this isn&#039;t always the case. I don&#039;t really see how they can get other routes if their main pick up points are the Ferry Building and Pier 39 - they are blocked in by Telegraph Hill and Fort Mason, there really isn&#039;t anything to the south (save ATT Park).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ferry Building area on the EMB is, by far, the most dangerous part of my bike ride. Cabs just come and go as they please, the bike lane was obviously put in so valets and rich assholes can double park, and who put those pesky blinkers on cars anyway if no one uses them. I would say 95% of the close calls that I get into are because people just don&#8217;t use blinkers.</p>
<p>But as for the pedicabs, most of the time they are out of the way, but this isn&#8217;t always the case. I don&#8217;t really see how they can get other routes if their main pick up points are the Ferry Building and Pier 39 &#8211; they are blocked in by Telegraph Hill and Fort Mason, there really isn&#8217;t anything to the south (save ATT Park).</p>
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		<title>By: EL</title>
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		<dc:creator>EL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In addition to new routes, he said the city will have to consider staging areas for the cabs, whether or not they can wait for fares on sidewalks as the do currently on Port of San Francisco property.&quot;

That pretty much sums up why the relationship is uneasy to begin with.  Sidewalks are for pedestrians.  I&#039;m sure that even the SFBC can agree with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In addition to new routes, he said the city will have to consider staging areas for the cabs, whether or not they can wait for fares on sidewalks as the do currently on Port of San Francisco property.&#8221;</p>
<p>That pretty much sums up why the relationship is uneasy to begin with.  Sidewalks are for pedestrians.  I&#8217;m sure that even the SFBC can agree with that.</p>
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