Today’s Headlines

  • Clipper Card Expansion Planned in Prep for Cash Surcharge (SFExaminer)
  • More on Merchants Complaining About Bus Lanes (CBSLocal)
  • More Twin Peaks Tunnel Closures (SFBay)
  • Man Punched and Robbed on Muni (SFGate)
  • The Seven Most Dangerous Streets (Hoodline)
  • Sidewalk News Racks Reduced to Minimize Clutter (Hoodline)
  • Planned 176-Unit Mixed Use Potrero Hill Infill Development (Socketsite)
  • Bay Bridge Demo Pics (NBCBayArea)
  • More on Sonoma Marin Bike and Ped Path (CBSLocal)
  • Sunday Streets Returns this Weekend (Hoodline)
  • Editorial: Don’t Charge More for Cash Muni Fares (SFChron)

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  • Jeffrey Baker

    The “most dangerous streets” list comes out every year, and every year it’s the same bunch of streets where deranged drug addicts are prone to lurching out in front of trucks. Short of closing the streets to cars and just making them open-air mental institutions, what can really be done about them?

  • murphstahoe

    This surcharge thing is true SF – Caltrain, Golden Gate Bus and Ferry, BART – all charge more for cash.

  • Jimbo

    forced institutionalization

  • CU

    CBS article on red lanes is terrible. No info other than “merchants don’t like the red lanes because they remove parking.”
    Am I missing something here? Didn’t SFCTA do a survey of customers on these corridors?

  • Pius_XI

    Not going to happen. See Olmstead v. L. C., https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/527/581/case.html

  • mx

    21 weekends of shutdowns at West Portal: yikes! I get that the tracks need to be replaced, and I’m glad they’ll still be running IB of Castro, but why couldn’t this work be combined with the emergency telephone work that inexplicably required six months worth of nightly early shutdowns?

  • RichLL

    I cannot speak for GG buses or the ferries, but I’ve used CalTrain and BART and they don’t charge more for payment by cash than by card.

    They do give various discounts for certain classes of rider and ticket, however.

  • murphstahoe

    I can’t speak for you, but I like to do trivial amounts of research before I type.

    http://www.caltrain.com/Fares/farechart.html

  • murphstahoe

    as for BART – you technically do not need a clipper card to get the discounted fare – but you cannot buy discounted fare tickets from the vending machines – you must get them from specific vendors, you can’t just show up and pay cash for it at a machine.

  • RichLL

    You didn’t say anything about a Clipper Card. You said they “charge more for cash” which implies non-cash is cheaper. It isn’t. Cash, debit card and credit card are all the same fare.

    What is cheaper is “various discounts for certain classes of rider and ticket” as I said. That can include buying rides in bulk, buying a monthly pass, special kids and seniors’ discounts, using Clipper and so on.

    But there is no explicit surcharge for cash such as SFMTA is planning.

  • murphstahoe

    MUNI is going to charge more for cash than for Clipper. That is the topic at hand. Pay attention.

  • murphstahoe

    The SMART bike path thing is a bit of magic. Farhad is trumpeting the NEPA clearance because he’s been getting pounded on by the cycling community. Now SMART is going to go after grants to fund the paths. The paths were supposed to be paid for by the revenue from the sales taxes. While it might not seem on the surface to be an issue that they found federal grants to pay for the paths, any grant money they win is grant money that some other project doesn’t win – they are robbing peter in order to pay paul because they deprioritized the pathway that was a large part of why Measure Q passed.

  • RichLL

    Or not, since several supervisors are lining up to vote against the SFMTA cash surcharge because it is seen as regressive and discriminatory against the poor.

    For clarity I’d suggest reserving use of the word “cash” for actual cash, as per the SFMTA topic. And if instead you really mean non-Clipper then say that explicitly.

  • RichLL

    How large a part of the reason Q passed was the bike path? Can you quantify that? If so, how?

  • Prinzrob

    The bike/ped path is listed quite clearly as one of the things Measure Q would fund, indicated multiple times in both the full text of the ballot measure as well as on the actual ballot people used to cast their vote. You can read this for yourself right here: http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/sn/meas/Q/

    For the voters to pass the measure but not have it find the bike/ped pathway as promised is a bait and switch.

  • Prinzrob

    BART does provide a discount for people transferring from an AC Transit bus, which I believe is only available for Clipper users. AC Transit themselves have also offered a discounted Clipper rate compared to cash fares for a long time as well.

  • RichLL

    OK, yes, if the vote was that close then the bike-path supporters may have swung it. But otherwise I doubt it is possible to quantify how influential that particular provision was.

    Even so, it sounds a little like the tail wagging the dog. Typically the bike lobby are pro-transit and so would probably have voted for SMART anyway. And a huge majority of those who wanted SMART don’t ride a bike and don’t care about the bike path.

    The sponsors presumably understand the priorities.