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  1.  

    murphstahoe

    As in you are going to run for Supervisor? Kudos.

  2.  

    jamiewhitaker

    11.2 would be the morally and environmentally and public health minded thing to do, but SFMTA did not respond to years of me and my neighbors pointing out the obvious – 20,000 residents will occupy high rise and low rise homes east of 2nd Street, and they will absolutely (excep for the 2,500 or so who probably won’t afford having a car) be driving to Trader Joes, Rainbow Grocery, costco, Whole Foods, Slim’s, Basil, Rocco’s, so on and so forth… Neighborhood serving businesses which do not exist in Rincon Hill and may never exist because of the cost of leasing or buying the retail spaces getting built. I expect we will just get more Boulevards, Prospects, and other ridiculously expensive restaurants and zero grocery stores because the retail spaces are too small.

    I watch the Twitter 83X bus line get created out of thin air, and I was a little stunned. I watch the 82X Levi express MUNI bus drive up Main Street weekday mornings, not stopping to pick anybody up who lives in my neighborhood where parking spaces are only allotted 1 for every 2 dwellings. And I watch the 5L bus line get added, but again, that’s like an international flight when all I need is a domestic.

    I’ll be campaigning for SUpervisor this year in part because of a cancerous discrimination I see exhibited towards SoMa by SFMTA, Rec. and Parks, and many other City Departments. I at least want my neighbors to know they’re being asked for $100 million (because SoMa’s property values represent 20% of the Citywide assessed value total) out of a $500 million GO Bond for MUNI while being treated like second class citizens and our lives decreased via the added cars on the streets which increases the air pollution. And I thought San Francisco was about non-discrimination – silly me.

  3.  

    Nicholas Littlejohn

    Awesome, keep it local!

  4.  

    Nicholas Littlejohn

    Pretty awesome, will make it safer and encourage arriving by transit, bike or foot. Yeah!

  5.  

    Nicholas Littlejohn

    Oh my god, I know! How will we ever get climate change at this rate?

  6.  

    guest

    the most surprising thing about 4/20 last year which was that these weren’t suburban sf people. no there were crowds of vendors proudly displaying central valley locales and other far away ca places. i didn’t actually stop to talk to anyone to ask why or if that was representative.

  7.  

    cwalkster

    1% of SFMTA’s budget is $9 million.
    In the next two years SFMTA will spend more money on bicycle improvements than on pedestrian improvements.

    Then there is the $18 million bike lane on Masonic Ave. SFMTA can always find money for bicycle projects they want to build.

  8.  

    Sprague

    As a cyclist I greatly enjoy not having to pay any sales tax and property tax and it’s especially nice being exempt from having to pay income tax. If you’d join our ranks, you would also enjoy these wonderful perks!

    Or, Sebra, cyclists (and pedestrians and others who try to tread lightly on our planet) could write: When will motorists start paying for the air they pollute, the lungs they poison, the ice caps and glaciers they melt, the species they kill, the climate they alter, and all the other damage to which they greatly contribute? Do you truly think the maybe 60 cents/gallon gas tax and vehicle registration fees (and RPP fees for the relatively few who need this to park) even begin to cover these expenses?

  9.  

    Sprague

    “Many people have walking impairments and cannot take Muni to the park.”

    Muni (as is nearly all public transit in the U.S.) is ADA accessible. Passengers with walkers, wheelchairs, etc. are most welcome on Muni and do use it.. Parking restrictions or even driving restrictions (ie. street closures) can always have exceptions to ensure access for people with mobility impairments. A well used and well funded public transit system improves access for everyone (including for the many people with mobility impairments who do not have access to private vehicles).

  10.  

    NoeValleyJim

    WHERE AM I GOING TO PARK MY SUV????????

  11.  

    Karen Lynn Allen

    For any event in the city where one can anticipate ability to drive safely is going to be *massively* impaired, car use should be severely discouraged by having no free parking available, limited expensive parking, and stringent restrictions on outsiders parking on neighborhood streets. The last thing I want as a resident of San Francisco is to have people who are drunk or high driving AT ALL. If people from the suburbs think they’ll be able to park, they’ll drive. If they think there’s no way/no how they’ll be able to park, they start figuring out BART, Caltrain and Muni. (Notice that whenever Chronicle headlines scream “Carmageddon!” for an event, traffic moves pretty smoothly?)

    No tolerance to event-fueled driver impairment should really include (at the very least) St. Patrick’s Day, any Oktoberfest event, New Year’s Eve, Halloween, most Giant’s games, etc. (I’m sure others could add to the list.) I am in no way just picking on 4/20.

  12.  

    Jamison Wieser

    OK, I was thinking SOMA as Second-ish to Eighth-ish where it starts being West SOMA, and east of Second as South Beach. SFMTA didn’t update the route-by-route maps, but did revise the 11 and 27 routes themselves.

    This might only exist ars e rtin the TEP implementation workbook (sigh…) as an addendum showing the final changes after public feedback and the EIR. The 11-Downtown Connector will now run to the 24th/Mission BART station via Folsom (you were right about the relationship with the Mission) instead of ending at 11th.

    Vehicle availability, staffing, and scheduling are unseen and complicated factors in all this, but going with a broader definition of SOMA its tens of thousands of new dwellings here’s an idea (and if I’m not off maybe this is something for the revisions in five years down the road when the Central Subway opens)

    What about splitting the 11 into two lines which overlap in SOMA.

    11.1 following the original plan starting at Eleventh Street and turning at Second with whatever modifications are appropriate North of Market. Part of the point had been to provide SOMA a connection with Van Ness Station.

    11.2 would follow the revised routes starting at 24th/Mission, but following your routing to Main where it would turn north putting the Embarcadero only two blocks away (maybe for the best it has a bit of a buffer from waterfront traffic?) where turning North it would run right within a couple blocks of the densest of the new development, only one block from the Transbay Terminal and could connect with Embarcadero Station as well.

  13.  

    Karen Lynn Allen

    The current vehicle license fee in California is so low, it would also not be worth the money to collect it on bicycles. It is .65%. (Take the value of the vehicle and multiply by .0065). So for a new $20,000 car it is $131. This annual fee will then drop each year as the car depreciates in value.

    So consider someone buying a pretty darn nice new bike for, say $800. (This may be almost double what most people spend on a new bike.) An equivalent “vehicle” license fee would be $5.20. Now let’s depreciate the bike at 10% a year. The next year the fee would be $4.68. The year after that would be $4.21. etc. The payment system would pretty much eat up all the money collected and then some.

    The fact is, anyone riding a bike is saving the government (Federal, state and city) money in terms of congestion, road repair, pollution, land use, reduced transit subsidies and health care costs. If our government had any sense it would pay people to ride bikes. (The city of Copenhagen figures every car driven in their city costs them $.12/mile and every bike ridden saves them $.21/mile.)

  14.  

    Justin

    4/20 is an event I always look forward to avoid going to, good that they’ll close the streets off to cars, just don’t like the chaos that occurs when that event occurs.

  15.  

    murphstahoe

    “Pander” – inflammatory
    “War against cars” – intellectual discourse

  16.  

    murphstahoe

    Our disagreement is this. I assert that Sunday parking meters improve the quality of life in SF. I assert that you can’t understand this because your analysis is too narrow – “I don’t want to pay more for something”. This narrow focus is to our detriment.

  17.  

    MaceKelly

    Hi Murphastahoe, Not sure what is unbalanced. What I know directly from living here for four decades is that it’s become overcrowded, too many bicyclists ride dangerously in the streets, blowing through stop signs, red lights, completely ignoring all traffic laws (not all, but many, and I get it that there are bad drivers too), and Sunday parking meters was an unwanted experiment and annoyance for people who live or visit the City and drive. It’s a relatively small loss of income to the city to preserve some character and quality of life for SF.

    There was a nice little article in either the NY Times or Financial Times about the Google buses and how Silicon Valley cities refused to build additional housing to accommodate their tech company’s employees because they wanted to preserve the quality of life and character of their cities. So, over crowding gets shifted to SF, and they can preserve their QOL but SF cannot?

  18.  

    MaceKelly

    Nice reply Gneiss. I used the word pander only because the article headline said pander when the BOS dropped the Sunday parking meter operation, actually unrelated to SFBC. I thought that headline was unnecessarily inflammatory. I guess also I am guilty of some stereotyping of all the new politically correctness on the left, from different groups, that seem to wage war against cars. I live over on the West side of SF and I am probably not as impacted with the increasing crowdedness of SF streets as those living East of the hills, except when I travel there. When I moved to the City about 40 years ago, I got rid of my car and wanted to be urban, carless. It didn’t work, as I could not take an hour and a half to get across town on a weekend after working door to door twelve hour days.

    Anyway, I get your side. I just don’t think the BOS pandered to anyone on the Sunday parking meters, in any way they might have decided. Characterizing the decision as pandering is an example of the new left politically correct crowd that that cannot stand different opinions, which I suspect may be from the generations that were given a gold star for just being cute little children.

  19.  

    Giovanne Valdez

    If my equations are correct, then 4/20 in SF will never be the same.

    Haight Whole Foods H2O station
    + bicycle trailer w/ bin
    = mobile hot tub

    mobile hot tub
    + sexy hot ass weather
    x 4/20
    - Cars
    = History

    I don’t know what else to say… be there or be square?

  20.  

    jamiewhitaker

    The 11 Downtown Connector is set to turn at 2nd Street in the TEP. Meanwhile, thousands of new dwellings (1,000 for 50% AMI at 30% of income low income targeted) are being buit east of 2nd Street. I think there is more of a relationship between the Mission and SoMa than there is SoMa and North Beach. I would like to see a bus line (maybe 27 Bryant and 11 Downtown Connector modifications?) to connect 24th Harrison/Folsom to The Embarcadero (or at least Main Street).

  21.  

    cherylmeril

    That’s because they’re evil and evil will do whatever it wants to do without restraint.

  22.  

    cherylmeril

    The pedestrians are completely out of control doing whatever they want. They will walk into the middle of a busy street wearing their huge stereo headphones as if they’re in their living room. When you tell them to take the cross walk they will mock you. There is no police enforcement whatsoever, the city has dropped the ball and wants to stick it to tax payers to change the infrastructure rather than enforce the laws.

  23.  

    cherylmeril

    Demonic spirits are operating in our judicial system trashing beautiful souls while exonerating evil trash. These evil people in the judicial system enjoy this little game and are quite aware of what they’re doing trashing people this way.

  24.  

    murphstahoe

    in the mean time there needs to be a balance

    I’m all for a balance. But you should be careful what you ask for, because I do not think you understand how unbalanced it currently is….

  25.  

    42apples

    I think tax breaks and free HOV access for electric vehicles are extremely regressive and a waste of money. I’d much rather see that money put into making world-class cycling infrastructure (and not recreational trails, but commuter-designed paths and lanes).

  26.  

    gneiss

    I would only support such an annual fee for people who ride if it was based on the proportional amount of money that is spent on bicycle infrastructure vs. car infrastructure. Since we spend less than 1% of SFMTA’s budget on bicycle infrastructure, the “fee” should be 1% of what car owners would also pay for registering their vehicles in the city.

    Also, if that’s the case, then we should do away with any tax breaks for electric vehicles. There’s no reason why the state should subsidize the purchase of electric cars by wealthy people with some $200 million of cap and trade money if bicycle riders are then charged for riding on city streets they already pay property and sales taxes for.

  27.  

    gneiss

    MaceKelly – you seem to live in an alternative reality. On what planet do you see “pandering” to the SFBC? Less than 1% of SFMTA’s budget goes towards bicycle projects, and yet 3.5% of all trips taken in the city are by bicycle. In every major streetscape redesign project that has come forward in the last 3 years which would rebalance the street away from car parking and towards bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure, none of them have escaped unscathed without concessions being made to car parking or “concerns” of the SFFD. It took 6 years for 3 blocks of Oak and Fell to have curb side bicycle lanes installed and that project is still not complete. And that was just paint on pavement and a few signals. No significant infrastructure.

    Last year, we completed the Bay Bridge, which cost $6.4 Billion to build. The Doyle Drive replacement project will cost $1.1 Billion. In each case, state bonds (that all taxpayers, regardless of whether they drive) are covering a significant chunk of of the cost for those roadways.

    Considering the amount of money spent on bicycle projects anywhere in the state compared to money spent on infrastructure for cars, you can hardly say that anyone is “pandering” to people who ride bikes.

  28.  

    Lee Ross

    That’s Great! There should be 4/20 events more often. Close those streets to cars all the time. I’ll smoke to that!!!

  29.  

    MaceKelly

    The pandering I see is to the bicycle coalitions, and anti car groups. SF has 3-4 hundred thousand registered cars, and the Bay Area in the Millions. Maybe some day we will really reduce auto use, but in the mean time there needs to be a balance. Now I get this, that such words will just inflame the righteous politically correct left extreme that cannot tolerate an opinion other than their own.

  30.  

    42apples

    I think the real problem here is that many city officials (Ed Lee foremost among them) see parking meters as just a cash cow for the city. Unfortunately, many transit advocates seem to be implying the same thing. However, the benefit of parking meters is not the revenue generated but the efficient rationing of the scarce resource of available space for parking, leading to less searching and higher turnover. That is why the Chamber of Commerce supports them despite the fact that they effectively raise prices for nearby businesses. It’s the same reason why a carbon tax would be beneficial even if it raises no net revenue.

  31.  

    42apples

    Also, it would cost way more money to install and enforce bike parking meters than you’d ever get out of them. If cycling mode share was 60-70% or so and bikes started to pile up outside every building, I’m sure you’d see a plan for paid bike parking. I think most cyclists would support a moderate annual bicycle registration fee if all the money collected was put into maintaining and improving cycling infrastructure.

  32.  

    Prinzrob

    I agree somewhat, but note that AC Transit has been integrated into the Telegraph planning and design process from the beginning, and this project has the potential to improve service and safety for pedestrians, bicyclists, and transit users alike.

    Buses on Telegraph are currently slowed down by having to jockey with bicyclists for curbside space, by having stops situated on the nearside of traffic signals, and by uncoordinated signals which don’t prioritize bike and bus speeds. Mitigations for these issues are all being included in the plan, which could result in faster bus speeds despite the lane reductions. There have also been some proposals for peak hour bus-only lanes which become car parking throughout the rest of the day.

    Beyond that, AC Transit has stated that the main drag on service speeds through this corridor is due to fare collection, so they could deal with that internally by offering things like free or highly discounted Clipper cards for seniors (who are demographically more likely to pay in cash) and by instituting front/rear door boarding policies like Muni in SF.

  33.  

    Karen Lynn Allen

    So it sounds like they are turning it into a Haight festival rather than a park event? Not that I object.

  34.  

    Karen Lynn Allen

    All these things are paid for through property taxes and other city taxes. Not gas taxes, which don’t even cover the cost of keeping highways and freeways in repair. (That ends up being paid for with federal debt that future generations are expected to pay off.) Not vehicle registration taxes. Remember the street repair bonds we passed a little while back? All those who don’t own cars shoulder that burden just as much as those who do. Bicyclists pay for city streets just as much as car drivers and use less of them because bicycles take up so much less space. And people who drive into San Francisco from the suburbs don’t pay for our streets at all as the small amount of sales tax we might get from them doesn’t cover the damage/pollution/congestion they inflict.

    Twelve bicycles can park in the space of one parked car. As a bicyclist I would be delighted–delighted!–to pay a dollar per hour to park my bike if cars had to pay $12 an hour. Delighted! (All bicyclists should embrace this with fervor.)

  35.  

    Jamison Wieser

    @jamiewhitaker:disqus what are your thoughts on the 11-Downtown Connector? How much do you think it will help SOMA vs. missing the point about where people need to go to?

  36.  

    KWillets

    “and Haight Street between Masonic Avenue and Stanyan.”

    That’s…superMasonic.

  37.  

    sebra leaves

    When will cyclists start paying for bike lanes, street parking, and all the other special perks the taxpayers are paying for? If the streets are not free to cars they should not be free to bikes either.

  38.  

    L_Mariachi

    If they were concerned about fair and equitable treatment, they should be lobbying for unenforced double-parking for everyone, all the time, not just their parishioners during services.

  39.  

    Jamison Wieser

    Do you mean the Sister’s Easter Party in Hellman Hollow?

  40.  

    Karen Lynn Allen

    Thanks, I did miss that little stretch of Bernice Rogers Way when I was scoping out the route on Google Maps. Bizarrely, Google Maps says there is a Gold Mountain KungFu School at the corner of Bernice Rogers Way and JFK. Must be hidden in the shrubbery.

  41.  

    JB

    From what I can find, the event will be on Saturday, so the fencing may be removed by Sunday

  42.  

    Aaron Bialick

    Ah, that’s right, hadn’t thought of that! That’s good news.

    Indeed, I once watched a driver get out and move the barricade on the east end of JFK to drive in. I went in front of his car and explained that it was closed. He then said he understood but wanted to turn around to exit, so I moved to let him. He lied, and proceeded to drive through JFK anyway.

  43.  

    murphstahoe

    “The one way loop you recommend does not make sense. JFK Drive and MLK Drive do not intersect. So you would have people drive along MLK Drive to the Great Highway”

    Bernice Rogers Way.

    “Visitors might still want to visit DeYoung or the Academy on days of the
    HSBG and Outside Lands events. So parking should be available in the
    park.”

    Surprisingly that parking would be occupied by patrons of the events…

  44.  

    AJ

    It’s hard to not have mixed feelings about lane removal for cycle tracks in Temescal. They would be great for cycling and good for traffic calming, but not so good for buses. Fascinating how only a couple years ago we were discussing dedicated bus lanes to improve speeds and reliability, and now we’re discussing lane removal to slow buses down more. Keeping all that damn parking makes it feel like choosing between children.

  45.  

    cwalkster

    Thanks for all the info. I knew some but not all the free visiting hours you listed. The DeYoung and Academy get a large portion of revenues from out of town visitors, not residents. Visitors cannot always take advantage of the free hours or free limited days per month and pay full prices for admission.

    The one way loop you recommend does not make sense. JFK Drive and MLK Drive do not intersect. So you would have people drive along MLK Drive to the Great Highway, then north to the Beach Chalet then on JFK Drive back to 8th and Fulton. This loop would be about 80 blocks long and highly inefficient.

    Many people have walking impairments and cannot take Muni to the park. They rely on cars to take them from one place to another.

    DeYoung and Academy staff park close to where they work. After installing meters where would the staff park? Would they get a discount?

    On JFK Drive from Stanyan to Transverse Drive cars park in the middle of the street. How would you install parking meters on this section of JFK Drive?

    RPPs are usually in effect from Mon-Fri. Since the HSBG and Outside Lands events are also during the weekend, RPPs in the outer Richmond and outer Sunset would not help on Sat. and Sun. only for two events a year.

    Visitors might still want to visit DeYoung or the Academy on days of the HSBG and Outside Lands events. So parking should be available in the park.

  46.  

    Bruce Halperin

    Will there be a northbound bike lane from Grove to McAllister?

  47.  

    Anony

    Additionally, I was in the area this morning. There is a easter sunday festival setup that takes up 3/4th of Sharon Meadows, but hippie hill itself is still going to be a free for all. It will significantly reduce the amount of smokers in the park unless they tear down the fence line that is setup.

  48.  

    SFnative74

    Interesting observation. It’s worth noting that some of those designs you describe have multiple locations now: bike signals (nearly a dozen now), soft hit bikeways (also almost a dozen with more to come), super sharrows (there’s also Market St with more to come). Same thing happened with the use of green, bike boxes and there are more left turn box designs coming. I think it’s smart to get a well-designed precedent for a particular measure in, then use the experience from that as a springboard for more of the same, especially if it’s a design new or unusual to the city. With road diets, Valencia was that precedent and now the city has done more than 50 or 60 of them.

  49.  

    Jass

    Im very interested in those succulent. Are they used elsewhere? I hope theyre not trampled on.

  50.  

    murphstahoe

    If Ed Lee really gets behind this and it dies – perhaps it’s punishing Ed Lee’s re-election campaign… which from the tenor of this whole mess, is the most important issue on the table.