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    Volker Neumann

    Ahh Page Street! I know thee well.


    John Hamilton

    This was my morning commute from the Haight to BART for years, and I *always* rode to the left of cars stacked up waiting to get on the freeway. I’d have added 10 minutes to my morning commute––and I would have risked by life each day––if I’d waited with the automobile traffic. It’s outrageous to ticket cyclists on Page in this way!


    Suvidha Bisht

    Lovely place to drive peacefully, must visit place in San Francisco.



    This appears to be SFPD’s new goal: reduce bicycle trips in San Francisco.



    There was gunfire at the $42 million HUD Hayes Valley Housing Development at Haight and Buchanan Friday, and it took 5 minutes for the police to show up. I gave a description of a carload of people I had seen fleeing in a car North on Webster, but 5 minutes isn’t going to catch that.

    That is all.




    Mountain Viewer

    Not defending ticketing as the best use of police time nor the best way to educate on safety but It’s not clear the ticketed cyclist did “duck”. And if he/she was caught on the left of the double yellow, that would seem to be a clear infraction. It would also be a pretty dangerous move as cars/trucks/buses can turn right on Page at any time (and I would venture the reason the double yellow is there -near the intersection- in the first place).



    I see no center line on that road so I’m having a hard time imagining what the CVC violation is.

    I don’t see how it could be CVC 21650:

    21650. Upon all highways, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
    (a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing that movement.

    Since they are passing, paragraph (a) allows them to leave the right half.

    It can’t be CVC 21202 either, because again, paragraph (a)(1) makes an exception for passing.

    It can’t be CVC 21654, because by definition, they are not going slower than the normal speed of traffic since the normal speed of traffic at that time is stop-and-go.

    It can’t be CVC 21752, because there are no visibility issues.

    Does anyone know what the code violation was?



    An extra beer makes me more angry with the SFBC. The reaction of all the very intellectually curious folks who populate this blog is “what law was being broken”. Noah Budnik tweets out “obey traffic laws” without any clarification in follow up tweets just exactly what law was being violated.

    In general, his tweet was simply confusing and mostly useless. I don’t consider Noah either confusing or useless, but his social media strategy in this instance is befuddling.



    You miss the point. Whether or not the cyclist gets a victory and beats the citation – the damage is done. The cop has harrassed the cyclist and instilled in their mind “Maybe this just isn’t worth it”


    boter op mijn hoofd

    It’s too bad the author didn’t report that there is a double yellow line for about a hundred feet before the intersection. Hopefully, SFMTA will put in the center bike lane quicker now! That seems like a no-brainer improvement.


    StrixNoctis .

    Somebody should because I doubt a citation is valid when the double yellow lines are painted in invisible ink or are only viewable when high on whatever hallucinogenic drug the cop was on.



    I am going to talk to a lawyer about this and get back to you all. This doesn’t seem like it should be an infraction to me, but what do I know?


    StrixNoctis .

    True, but even the drivers who sit in traffic inhale the exhaust.


    Jonathan Henderson

    It is a human health issue. I would contest the tickets citing the hazardous conditions that automobile fumes present to cyclists. The fumes are carcinogenic, cancer causing toxins that when breathed in to the lungs are extremely hazardous to human health. Sitting on a bicycle in traffic breathing in the fumes from idling vehicles puts ones’ pulmonary health at risk.


    StrixNoctis .

    Yeah, I don’t understand how a two-wheeler passing congested traffic there would be illegal either. Are there signs that say passing or lane splitting isn’t permitted on that particular street?


    Matt Laroche

    Wow, so yes – for most of that block there’s no centerline.


    boter op mijn hoofd

    There’s a double yellow line for about 100 feet on Page before Octavia.


    Dave Moore

    Maybe it’s also something about predictability. Cars are somewhat restricted in what they do wrong. Every so often one does something crazy but mostly they predictably run through the start of a red light, or coast through stop signs. That’s awful of course but you get used to it. But the things that bikes can do because of their nimbleness can really surprise you. Suddenly there’s a guy going the wrong way down a street, or hopping on a sidewalk or coming to a full stop at a red and then just plowing through a pedestrian swarm. This seems to happen way more often with bikes than cars. So you get more worried about them than the admittedly more dangerous cars.



    I mean I am sick of the bylaws kerfluffle and John Sanford and so I went to the bar and started drinking instead.


    Mario Tanev

    What do you mean? I am familiar with the bylaws kerfuffle, but don’t get the connection.



    The new SFBC bylaws say this is a non-issue.



    I wonder how much of that district’s budget goes to supporting police cars? Police cars cost a ton of money, and lead to officers with metabolic syndrome, costing the taxpayers millions in health care costs.

    Time to get cops out of cars and onto bikes!



    This is particularly galling given that most mornings inbound on Page (further up,) I get passed by an impatient motorist despite the presence of oncoming traffic. Their decision making seems to be predicated on the notion that there is no greater disorder than a car being behind a bike, therefore even oncoming traffic is insufficient reason to wait to pass.

    That said, I do see cyclists bomb down the pre-Octavia stretch (sometimes in the presence of oncoming traffic) regardless of whether there’s room to pass the line of cars on their right. There is almost always space to do so, but one has to take it slower (and so many don’t.)



    The SFPD presents: How to Reduce Bicycling on Page Street!

    1. Pick an intersection along the major inbound bike route
    2. Ignore all bad behavior by motorists every time
    3. Hand out costly tickets to cyclists for violating an unclear law
    4. Make sure the legally required alternative to breaking the law has bicyclists idling mindlessly behind a long line of freeway-bound motorists even though there is ample room to pass and no dividing line to cross

    Working together in this way, we can all help the SFPD achieve its apparent goal of reducing bicycle trips in San Francisco!



    I’m not familiar with the SFPD budget. Does SFPD get a share of ticket revenue? Is it apportioned by which district wrote the ticket? Is this a cash grab?

    If Park District is enforcing outside their borders this is either a cash grab or a sign they have too many officers. Either way the correct way to fight this is to fight each and every ticket in court. Fill the dockets. Make these tickets cost Park.

    They are relying on you considering your time more important than your money.



    Just an outsider here, but since there’s no dividing line, how can they say which side of the street you’re even on? Aren’t these bicyclists just passing on the left when it’s safe to do so, exactly like you’re supposed to?


    Mesozoic Polk

    All SFPD is doing is here is leveling the playing field. Cyclists are the darling of city departments (what with all the gifts they have received in the form of two-block bike lanes that consist merely of paint and don’t connect to each other). Meanwhile, motorists are terribly disenfranchised in this city, even though the vast majority of street space is devoted to their personal use in moving and parking cars. Thank you, SFPD, for being a relentless champion for the poor, disenfranchised motorist!



    I do this every day. As the article noted, it’s just safer. The SFPD Park Station’s new Captain John Sanford is out line. We really need to organize some political pressure to put a stop to this immediately.


    HMM burritos

    Lane splitting is legal!



    b. riding on the sidewalk is never legal unless you are under 12


    Nicasio Nakamine

    Not cool, SFPD. How else are you supposed to navigate this nightmare? What is wrong with passing all the stopped cars on the left of this un-lined street?



    When I busted up my shoulder (FOOSH!) and was walking to work for a couple months through North Slope, I was certainly very wary of cars seeing me, respecting my ROW, etc. But the cyclists blowing through stop signs in the gap between me starting to cross and the car stopped waiting for me really set my teeth on edge. Talk about being a vulnerable road user.


    Kyle Huey

    Wow, this is ludicrous. Way to go SFPD. If they’re serious about this, the city needs to ban right turns at Octavia to get the freeway traffic off the bike route until a protected lane can be built.



    Try riding in Vietnam. It’s alarming at first but you get used to it and the population seems to survive well enough. It all comes down to courtesy and predictability.



    Wow, I saw that cop. I could have gotten a ticket today. I thought he was watching the intersection to ticket people that block the intersection honestly.


    Matt Laroche

    So is this even illegal where there isn’t a centerline? It looks like there’s a short one just before Octavia, but what if I rode the left until that started, then ducked to the right? Would that be illegal?



    There is no centerline on most of Page. Maybe the first block between Gough and Franklin.


    Matt Laroche

    Wait, is there no centerline for most of that block? Is it really illegal if there’s no centerline?


    Leon Foonman

    Your numbers are off. .002 % of car drivers actually stop, the rest either roll through the stop, or just ignore it totally. As for bikes, I can’t recall ever seeing a bicyclist make a full stop at a stop sign, not ever.


    Leon Foonman

    What about the trout in Idaho? They have been targeted for years by humans who think it’s OK to dangle something that looks like food in front of them, then bang, it’s a fishhook hiding in the food and they are yanked out of the water, which is the same as suffocating to a trout, and then held up for ridicule by wealthy, white people in those ridiculous rubber pants. What about the trout?


    Leon Foonman

    whaahhhh wahhhhh wahhhh……whenever you’re done whining, you should get back in your Tercel and talk on your cell phone….


    Leon Foonman

    Bicyclists are a health hazard in SF. If anyone ever sees a bicyclist stop at a stops sign, they will have a heart attack.



    Oh the horror. There’s traffic on the bay bridge to go to treasure island flea. Quit whining, crybabies.


    Dave Moore

    – Pedestrians are less at risk than they perceive because cyclists are more nimble than drivers and able to avoid collisions even though they have many close calls.

    This might explain why there are many complaints but low crash statistics, and why both pedestrians and cyclists feel they are in the right. From the cyclist’s point of view they went through a crosswalk and navigated successfully around pedestrians and never felt at risk. From the pedestrian’s point of view they just missed being run over by a cyclist and felt unsafe. I know when I’m on my scooter I’m pretty attuned to everything around me. I can only assume a cyclist feels the same way. The interaction could feel like it’s moving slowly and there was never any danger of impact. But the pedestrian was walking along at a slower pace and to them it feels like they were just buzzed by a speeding bike.



    Maybe we need some Uber/Lyft-type start-up to come around and rejuvenate what has become a stale industry (just like cabs had become). Not saying that a single boat-single passenger model would work, but maybe a start-up could buy smaller boats and run them when they’re full using apps that focusing on “boat-sharing”. Hmmm …. maybe this is a good start-up idea I should pursue …


    Jym Dyer

    @SF Guest – Most people don’t even know about the AAA’s lobbying efforts, but they are substantial. As for the SFBC’s power, it was only 3 years ago that the SFMTA’s bike expenditures expanded to a jaw-dropping, awe-inspiring %0.46 of its budget. This led to much pearl-clutching, garment-rendering, and endless shrieks about some sort of WAR ON CARS!!!!111


    Andy Chow

    Ferry service is a complicated issue. In markets that can support more ferries (Sausalito – SF for instance), there are opposition from the city (which does not want to attract more tourists) as well as existing providers. Red & White Fleet tried to apply CPUC for a route but failed because of opposition from Blue & Gold and Golden Gate Ferry.

    Other markets may not be attractive enough to sustain commuter ferry, especially suburb to suburb (rather than to/from SF). South San Francisco ferry launched a few years ago and has been struggling. Unlike downtown SF, a lot of developments are beyond walking distance from the ferry, which require feeder transportation on both ends.

    In a lot of areas, there is no suitable ferry terminal without substantial investment. Starting a new ferry route in some ways is no different than building new rail stations, rather than starting a bus route, which require far less initial investment.



    “No coalition including AAA is as powerful as SFBC.”

    AYFKM?! AAA has 54 million members in North America. Fifty. Four. Million. You just don’t notice them as much as the local bike coalition because their influence is so ingrained into the system, and because they don’t have to do grassroots community organizing as their interests are the default position.



    Morgan, et. al. now is the time to start demanding that SFPD monitor and enforce the 3 foot passing law while this is going on.