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  1.  

    pessimisanthrope

  2.  

    RichLL

    The issue was law breaking. If you don’t like the laws then get them changed.

  3.  

    Frank Kotter

    which inhibits the flow of traffic how?

  4.  

    Taurussf

    The reality can be changed when it’s detrimental. And there is a pretty strong parents’ movement in SF to get kids walking and biking again. They’ve organized “walking busses” and bike groups to to do that.

    When my kids were in SFUSD schools, there was a rule that kids weren’t allowed to posses bikes on school property. That’s been changed because of those parents and more can be done.

    The physical reality is that an entire school’s worth of kids can’t be dropped off all at the same time in the same place. An immediate solution is for parents who haven’t moved away from cars to park a block or two away and walk with their kids to the door rather than triple parking and having their kids run across traffic.

    Having a safe place at schools to store trailers, bike seats, and children’s bicycles is another good step.

    You’ve probably also been noticing more parents carting their kids around on cargo bikes, often with electric assist. These bikes, usually with stretched back racks to carry several kids, or large buckets in front, give parents the tool they need to avoid purchasing that first car and getting trapped in theeconomically destructive trap of car ownership.

    We’re in the midst of a sea change in how Americans live in cities and car ownership is going away. An important step is to give parents the tools they need to get their kids around without one.

  5.  

    Gary van der Merwe

    I would if the park stretches from where I am to where I want to go, but 99.99% of the time, it does not.

  6.  

    hailfromsf

    It’s hard to blow through stop signs while riding muni.

  7.  

    RichLL

    But you don’t have to “swerve”. That implies that you don’t really stop and look before pulling out, but rather impatiently and unreasonably expect to continue your journey without any delay. That is what I am saying causes the danger.

    The double-parked car should not be there, but the reality is that it is and always will be. Pedestrians are going to jaywalk, cyclists are going to blow through stops and drivers are going to double park.

    That’s life, so deal with life SAFELY. Don’t swerve. Stop, look and pull out only when safe. And if you cannot do that safely then maybe you should not be on the road at all – passing obstructions is a fundamental road skill.

  8.  

    RichLL

    What do you mean by “61% of traffic”? Do you mean 61% of vehicles? That counts a bike as the same as, say, a shuttle bus with 40 passengers?

    Does “traffic” include pedestrians, as I suspect that is the main form of moving about on Valencia?

    And of course there are no Muni buses on Valencia any more. So are you omitting from the count all the buses that run parallel to Valencia a block away, of necessity?

    Oh, and how do you measure all the vehicular traffic that is displaced to Guerrero or South Van Ness because of congestion on Valencia caused partly by all those bikes?

  9.  

    Jame

    The problem is, when people double park in the bike lane, people in the bike lane need to swerve to miss the cars putting themselves (and everyone else at risk. Not like the cars slow down and let you in because they see your lane is obstructed. We are not quite at peak selfishness, but we are well on the way. No one wants to be inconvenienced but everyone is happy to inconvenience others if it makes there life easier.

  10.  

    RichLL

    I wasn’t aware that either of the recent cycling deaths were due to a double parked car. In fact I know for a fact that they were not.

  11.  

    RichLL

    I never said it was not important. I said it was a technical detail. I believe the city has experts on this stuff. I’m talking big picture here, and about how to get the bikes to somewhere safer than Valencia.

  12.  

    RichLL

    I never said that double parking is OK. It isn’t, in much the same way as pedestrians jaywalk and cyclists blow through stop signs. We all break the law sometimes, and presumably because we feel it is justified.

    And yes, impatience causes accidents whoever is doing it. But illegal acts and impatience are what we all have to deal with on a daily basis/ It is HOW you deal with it that affects your level of risk.

  13.  

    RichLL

    Everyone behaves badly on the roads in this city. You think I don’t notice the behavior of other drivers, cab drivers, truck drivers, cyclists, everyone. This is a tough city to get around.

    But again, I dispute that this particular behavior is dangerous. Assuming you see the vehicle ahead you are free to stop, pass CAREFULLY or dismount. If you are impatient and choose to take a risk, that is on your head.

    I see that Trump has replaced Hitler in your personal instances of Godwin’s Law.

  14.  

    RichLL

    I don’t do it very often and no more than, say, I suspect you blow through stop signs or ride on the side-walk.

  15.  

    RichLL

    For the same reason that cars are supposed to merge into the bike lane when turning right.

  16.  

    RichLL

    Elsewhere in the thread I said that I sometimes walk out into the bike lane or road to escape the crowds on Valencia.

    But only when it is safe to do so, as my continued presence here indicates.

  17.  

    RichLL

    I already said that double parking was inconvenient for other road users. And of course it’s illegal as are many other things that all roads users do from time to time, including cyclists.

    The thought process of a car driver briefly stopping in a bike lane is similar to the thought process of a bike blowing a stop sign – in both cases a justification is made to break the law because the operator deems it preferable to the alternatives.

    My point was more that it doesn’t have to be dangerous as suggested. That’s all down to how you choose to respond to the obstruction.

  18.  

    PopeMary

    Or just ride your bicycle in the park. Why is that so hard to understand?

    Just keep encouraging the kiddies to ride on busy streets so the ambulance chasers get their share.

  19.  

    alberto rossi

    So there have been almost no pedestrian improvements besides painting pictures of bulbouts here and there and fatalities are actually up since Vision Zero started. Yet we’re handing out awards? Maybe it’s really a participation trophy?

  20.  

    mx

    Oh I agree, but kids being driven to school is a reality in San Francisco, and many will travel more than a couple of blocks because of the way school assignment works in SF (not to mention the volume of private schools).

    We do need to do a better job at providing more space for safe loading in front of schools to help prevent such accidents though.

  21.  

    p_chazz

    Qui tacet consentit

  22.  

    Taurussf

    Bob-
    Er, oops. I just checked out your district 5 blog. I am so sarcasm impaired. Sorry.

  23.  

    Taurussf

    > There are some exceptions of course (say, schools, where loading zones are vital and complex)
    Actually, this is one of the worst places. The most likely place for a child pedestrian to be hit is in front of their school, by the parent of another child.

    And given the lack of exercise kids these days (did I just say that?) get, maybe it’s important to make them walk a couple of blocks every morning.

    The percentage of kids who walk or bike to school has plummeted since the 60’s, and it shows.

  24.  

    mx

    I see drivers do this on Market St with some regularity, blocking the only traffic lane. Sometimes the cars behind them are so terrified of the red carpet enforcement they sit there like sheep and don’t even go around.

  25.  

    DocAmazing

    Jimbo don’t count too good.

  26.  

    yermom72

    Uber issued a statement denying responsibility, and funded a study arguing that cities could save money by removing all bike lanes and giving money to Uber.

  27.  

    Taurussf

    Yes, you get right on that. When you break double digits, get back to us.

    While you’re at it, look up this number. 32,000. And San Francisco’s contribution, 35.

  28.  

    murphstahoe

    Most people have stopped pointing out your errors, it’s more efficient to point out those few times you are not in error.

  29.  

    the_greasybear

    This has always been my response to apologists for illegal double-parking in bike lanes: if the motorist is so entitled, and/or if the inconvenience is so slight, then why aren’t they parking in their own lane? It’s just a couple minutes!

  30.  

    7x7anon

    You think cyclists are TRYING to get hit by cars? You’re an idiot.

  31.  

    p_chazz

    Sloppy copy editing is the problem. Kan U unnerstand ths? Iff sew, duz that meen wee shud rite thys wai?

  32.  

    murphstahoe

    What blocking a bike lane does do, without question, is inconvenience
    and delay cyclists, much like it delays and inconveniences other
    drivers.

    Wait – piss off. Double parking is the driver taking their own convenience instead of being inconvenienced by having to find real parking. Over the convenience of the cyclist. Difference being – the cyclist has that convenience because we built them a bike lane, and the motorist is operating illegally.

  33.  

    p_chazz

    What’s not nice? I make mistakes too, but I would want someone to point out my errors so I could correct them.

  34.  

    the_greasybear

    Everyone understood it, so what’s the problem?

  35.  

    farazs

    No, he is right. It is incredibly dangerous to walk a block or two, with all those crazy/inconsiderate/inattentive motorists (including him) on the prowl.

  36.  

    IrvinDawid

    Just read your article on Caltrain, Roger. Looking forward to more of your posts!
    http://sf.streetsblog.org/2016/07/07/its-a-go-for-caltrain-electrification/

  37.  

    gneiss

    On this street, some 61% of users between 6 PM and 7 PM are cyclists. Coincidentally, this also happens to be the time when double parking is at it’s height. It’s not a mess. It simply a failure by SFPD and SFMTA to enforce the law during a period of time for highest risk of injury to people who are riding bicycles.

  38.  

    farazs

    If you are so confident that is not a BFD, why not stop for a minute or less in a lane meant for cars instead? That should get you a fresh assessment of ‘danger’.

  39.  

    twinpeaks_sf

    Try being nice.

  40.  

    farazs

    RichLL would say that those pedestrians should stay at home, perhaps not even get out of bed. After all, there are far more important things than living your life.

  41.  

    farazs

    > bicyclists who deliberately ride in pace with a car in the vehicle’s
    > blind spot hoping that the driver will cause an incident

    Riding in pace with a car in the blind spot does not automatically cause an collision. It is incumbent on the driver by law, to head-check their blind-spot before changing lanes.

    Unless … wait … it couldn’t be … those damned cyclists must be wearing Harry Potter’s cloak of invisibility. Its the same thing those slimy pedestrians use while walking within cross-walks – how could a poor driver possibly protect themselves against this magical level of subterfuge.

  42.  

    gneiss

    On this street it’s not 3% of users. As was indicated in the article, people on bicycles represent about 61% of the traffic during 6 PM to 7 PM, which coincides with the largest number of doubling parking incidents. As a result, don’t you think it makes sense for the SFPD to use a few resources to control double parking for the couple of hours when bicyclists outnumber drivers on this street?

  43.  

    gneiss

    About 61% of traffic on Valencia during the 6 PM to 7 PM hour comprises people on bicycles. I’d hardly say that this is a “small minority” of users.

  44.  

    PaleoBruce

    RichLL “…unless you decide to rush things”,

    Isn’t it also a decision to “rush things” when the motorist decides to illegally park in the bicycle lane instead of taking time and finding a legal place to park? Why is the illegal rushed behaviour by the motorist OK? I have to guess because it is your rush that matters most.

  45.  

    Bob Gunderson

    What about visiting the hospitals and counting all the ~nearly hit by a bicyclist~ victims?

  46.  

    gneiss

    This is what happens to someone who has their path blocked as a pedestrian and is forced into the roadway: http://kron4.com/2015/06/09/teen-girl-struck-by-minivan-while-jogging-in-san-rafael-dies/

  47.  

    Hunter

    I see the same behavior from motorists every day, and yet they are many times more likely to kill someone. Why isn’t that a bigger issue?

  48.  

    Donovan Lacy

    Jimbo,
    I am curious what you observed regarding automobiles and those same intersections, given that automobiles kill and maim pedestrians and cyclists on a daily basis.

  49.  

    Donovan Lacy

    Rich,

    This article is focused on the public safety issues that are created by cars illegally double parking in the bicycle lane. With the exception of noting the speeding drivers that killed two cyclists recently the only other reference that I can find is by you. Double parking is an issue for everyone that uses our roads not just cyclists.

    You also just got through stating that Valencia is a mecca for night life and now you are arguing that there was business lost from cars not being able to access these businesses? I think you would need to furnish evidence and data for this given your previous statement that Valencia St. businesses are doing very well.

  50.  

    mx

    53 cars blocked the bike lane in one block. If that’s what happens on the “best cyclist street,” it says an awful lot about how bad every other street is.