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  1.  

    StrixNoctis .

    You’re the one who changed the topic first by bringing up the non-issue of the proposed helmet law which I responded to in return. Don’t change the topic (i.e. don’t toss more smoke screens) and I won’t respond to the changed topic either. It’s as simple as that.

  2.  

    murphstahoe

    Lights? There is only one light on the entire length of Cesar Chavez I referenced. Or did you just ignore my example and go off bloviating on some other street?

    “I think we’re discussing Polk Street here” – you are the person who said every other time the cyclists got what they wanted.

  3.  

    njudah

    The SFMTA board is a pathetic joke. They will say one thing and do another. They are stooges for Mayor Lee and his 1% and can go to Hell.

  4.  

    murphstahoe

    Cool story bro

  5.  

    sparky403

    Faint praise? Um… they just can’t possiably do enough for you folks can they? at any cost.
    It’s a tough balancing act. For the record, there was not nearly the movement under brown or Newsom as there is now. Cyclist understood in years past, that street were shared spaces. It seems now that you won’t be happy until San Francisco is an amish community I don’t think that’s going to happen… but good luck.

  6.  

    sparky403

    Sources?? sorry that’s not real creditable now is it??

    The plan for Cesar Chavez was deeply flawed (the plan to slow traffic) and I think we’re discussing polk street here?

    ghts have been sycnchronized at 13mph,, for cyclist, this slows traffic. It’s not going to happen on every street, as when I drive (very rare in the city) it’s PIA to stop literally every block. However, the changes are happening far more rapidly now than in decades past. .

    As a group, I have to say you’re the most ‘glass half empty’ crowd that I have encountered.

    You’re not going to get everything you want . If nothing city hall does is enough, than I don’t see the trend continuing…

  7.  

    sparky403

    obviously not… but the California bike coalition is not endorsing the law… quite the opposite really….

  8.  

    aslevin

    Menlo Park’s current policy isn’t opposed to grade separation. It just prohibits study of options that would elevate the tracks even partially as in San Carlos. The prohibited options were earlier studied and found to be less costly and more effective. Now that community sentiment has swung toward wanting grade separation done, council may consider changing the policy.

  9.  

    p_chazz

    I’m sure that Yelp will remove them since they don’t pertain to his business, just as they did with Drs. Hiura & Hiura.

  10.  

    murphstahoe

    As a cyclist I wouldn’t dream of throwing a leg over any of my bikes unless without a helmet and gloves. Period.

    Are helmets banned? The law will allow helmets?

  11.  

    murphstahoe

    “Drivers have lost at every turn in this city”

    http://sf.streetsblog.org/2011/06/28/city-drops-years-long-plan-for-road-diet-on-eastern-cesar-chavez-street/

    “City Hall sources told Streetsblog the order came from the Mayor’s Office, which was responding to last-minute concerns from industrial businesses worried about reducing road capacity for trucks.”

    Lanes did eventually go in on Chavez, but the setup at Evans’ street is crap compared to the original plan.

    How many more examples do you want?

  12.  

    murphstahoe

    ” ed lee has done more for cyclist’s then all other mayor’s combined – by orders of magnitude”

    Damned by faint praise. There was zero impetus to do anything for cycling until the Willie Brown era, he was openly hostile to cyclists. Gavin Newsom oversaw the creation of the bike plan but couldn’t do anything about it because of the injunction. Lee wins by default.

    And there are plenty of areas where Lee has failed. Even projects that have been built have been subject to an abysmal record when it comes to timeliness.

  13.  

    sparky403

    man- you’re not rational, but you seem to want to change the topic? Bottom line. Cyclist (of which I am one…I have 3 bikes that I ride a lot both around sf, marin, etc).
    Drivers have lost at every turn in this city for more dedicated cycling lanes, bulb outs (which I think are not the best way to do things but…), the city is heavily promoting cyclist – at a cost of over 5,000 parking spaces erc etc.
    Bottom line – if nothing Ed Lee has done is enough or even close, despite doing orders of magnitude more than any other administration for cyclists – than you can kiss more victories good bye.
    You should also understand that the streets are a shared resource – you clearly feel they should not be. (how did your bike and belongings get to SF in the first place? Did they walk here?).
    Further, if feel safety is the most important thing than you should back the helmet law. It’s only common sense. As a cyclist I wouldn’t dream of throwing a leg over any of my bikes unless without a helmet and gloves. Period.

  14.  

    murphstahoe

    How to tank your Yelp Review in 24 hours. A business man in Sebastopol put an anti-cyclist screed onto his business blog with very rapid, predictable results.

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/victorian-farmstead-sebastopol-2

    Probably no need to pile on any further, I think we’ve reached the point where they get the point and most damage will be permanent enough, but it’s an interesting case study, and it will be interesting to track what happens as this owner potentially chases enlightenment.

    Screen shots of the original screed can be seen on the yelp page.

    Additional fallout on their facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Victorian-Farmstead/108434459206334

  15.  

    Gary Fisher

    San Francisco needs to catch up to advanced cities around the world that are closing most major shopping streets to cars and trucks between 10 am to 2 am. Deliveries are made when the shops are closed. 2) the use of smaller trucks, even e cargo bikes. 3) better route mapping and receiving.
    That said, it has taken so long to get even a runt lane on Oak and Fell, We need to take different steps as we have been given a royal lip service. All is not well.
    100 years ago, a city is where you raised your children. Culture was there. We can have this back, without the poison and violence. Our leadership has slowed this vital movement. San Francisco is headed to be less.

  16.  

    Will Snyder

    PChazz—In over 30 years in this city, i’ve never had a problem at 9th and Mission, nor will I allow one. As for hailing a cab, it’s getting a cowardly cab driver to stop there. I’m angrier at Muni for not making sure they stick to their words and run on time.

  17.  

    StrixNoctis .

    It’s ridiculous of both you & Ed Lee to want bicycling safety to be secondary or thirdly behind parking for motor vehicles. Parking is a convenience, bicycle SAFETY is about saving lives! LIVES!

    Pushing a bicycle helmet law doesn’t address the problem of collisions between motor vehicles & cyclists. Bicycle helmets are made of materials that only protect skulls from falls; they don’t survive the impact of a car or the weight of getting run over.

    Pedestrian safety is even more of an issue since the rates of pedestrians getting injured & killed by motorists is much higher than that of cyclists getting injured & killed by motorists. The rates of motor vehicle collisions with other motor vehicles is way significantly higher than all collisions. Those rates make the source of the problem obvious–that it’s the reckless driving by motorists that’s the cause of so many accidents involving motor vehicles. Helmets on cyclists won’t solve the problem. Even helmets on pedestrians & motorists won’t solve the problem.

  18.  

    Gezellig

    https://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/citation-needed.jpg

    Btw, I took the 14-Mission last night at about 2a. Have done it countless times before. As always, was fine.

  19.  

    jd_x

    Totally. Because we all know on all those roads that weren’t narrowed there is no double-parking.

  20.  

    p_chazz

    You misquoted me. I actually I said “hail a cab or use Uber.” And if they don’t have the ability they should get it. It’s not safe to wait for buses on Mission Street at that hour.

  21.  

    twinpeaks_sf

    Not everyone has the ability to just “hail an Uber”..

  22.  

    p_chazz

    At that hour you should hail a cab or use Uber.

  23.  

    robertnealan

    Unfortunately I’ve already seen multiple cars/taxis parking in-between the planters and the curb to pickup/dropoff passengers, forcing bikes to go all the way into Oak St as it’s just barely wide enough to fit an average sized car.

    Partially protected bike lanes are a start, but this really isn’t improving the situation until they make them fully protected and add separate bike stoplights to avoid collisions with cars taking right turns at Divis, etc.

  24.  

    Bruce

    I see that many on the one block of Townsend between 6th and 7th.

  25.  

    Jim

    It was DPW’s decision to cut back on street cleaning, not MTA’s. I forget if CA ever passed legislation allowing forwarding facing enforcement cameras on SF’s street cleaning trucks. It was supposed to be a pilot for SF and LA. It doesn’t makes sense to have PCOs work between midnight and 6am printing street cleaning tickets when the PCOs could be better used during day.

  26.  

    Dark Soul

    Balanced Safety (not Bike over Ped)

  27.  

    Dark Soul

    That what u get for narriowing the road more double parking

  28.  

    Prinzrob

    It’s up to the delivery companies, not us, to figure out a business model that doesn’t involve breaking traffic laws. Delivery vehicles in many part of Europe tend to be much smaller and easier to park than the US versions, for instance, and they still stay in business somehow. http://www.citylab.com/cityfixer/2014/11/how-smaller-european-style-delivery-vehicles-could-make-us-streets-safer/383027/

  29.  

    NoeValleyJim

    There are lots of work that can be done off hours: cleaning, stocking, bookkeeping, paperwork. Having someone there at a modest fee is just part of running a legal business.

  30.  

    Alicia

    Nothing is wrong with me. I’m just reading and thinking critically.

    What happened when the cyclist “slammed into the stroller”? Did her son end up hospitalized? Or did the stroller just get a couple scratches on the paint?

    She doesn’t mention any harm whatsoever to her son, so I strongly suspect that the incident she’s mentioning had no effect, and she’s just using hyperbole when she talks about that incident as being the same kind of danger as being hit by a car.

    As far as she mentions, nothing whatsoever happened to her son when that bike hit the stroller. If it had been a car, her son would have been in critical condition or dead. You and she both need to be more realistic.

  31.  

    Alicia

    “Just about anyone” is a nice cop out. Basically means, you can’t actually name anyone who changed his or her mind from supporting to opposing a position.

  32.  

    Alicia

    What about educating walker.s?

    Cost-benefit analysis. I prefer to put more money into educating drivers because it will have the most effect. Not because drivers are any more evil than other people (they aren’t) but because cars are physically more dangerous. It makes sense to focus the most on drivers, then on bicyclists, then on pedestrians.

  33.  

    Andy Chow

    You should know that parcel delivery companies need someone there working for the company to receive the shipment. Sure night and weekends are nice with no traffic, but most companies are closed. Would companies want to spend $20 a hour to hire someone sitting there to receive the shipment?

    Garbage trucks however can do off hour trash collection without problems.

  34.  

    Wouter Dito

    Bus-only lanes will bring El Camino to a near standstill. Even crossing El Camino will be delayed greatly. This project is designed to ensure long–term dependence on buses and the over-paid bureaucracies in charge. If the VTA operated stagecoaches drawn by donkeys, it would install donkey stagecoach-only lanes everywhere it could.

  35.  

    NoeValleyJim

    Deliver off hours, like they do in most crowded cities throughout the world.

  36.  

    Morgan Driver

    Wait a minute — she said a cyclist slammed into the stroller that her child was in — not a near miss. What is wrong with you?

  37.  

    donsf2003

    All of your remedies punish drover sin the name of education. What about educating walker.s?the fact that you said what about them about pedestrians means they will never be held accountable and wlil continiue to have deaths.

  38.  

    Golden Gate Shark

    that is horrible. I am sorry that happened to you

  39.  

    Andy Chow

    Then what is your suggestion to lower the cost of delivery services. Circling for legal parking means lower productivity and high labor cost. Hire driver assistants… higher labor cost.

  40.  

    p_chazz

    Just about anyone who needs to get from point A to point B. Street protests are really more about making the protestors feel good about themselves than they are about sending a message.

  41.  

    Mario Tanev

    Hold on, wasn’t the shuttle program supposed to be self-sufficient. That is, the cost of PCOs is already covered by the fee imposed on the shuttles. Why all of a sudden are they cited as a reason to not do double-parking enforcement?

  42.  

    Prinzrob

    SFMTA Parking Enforcement Director Cameron Samii should probably be notified of this. Anyone have contact info available?

  43.  

    Prinzrob

    As someone who bikes a lot and is used to signaling and merging into traffic to pass on the left, I agree with you about the potential dangers and share the same personal preferences. From what I observe, though, many other people biking past a double-parked truck are just as likely to hop onto the sidewalk, squeeze past on the right via an even tinier channel, or merge to the left at the last second without looking or signaling. Based on that reality, I would rather have the bike lane open and allow people to bike through that narrow canyon but at least do so legally and more predictably. Anyone who doesn’t want to stay in the bike lane there could still signal and pass to the left of the truck.

    Thoughtful truck drivers also opt to stop in a center turn lane, or on the left side of a one-way street when possible.

    With such rampant double parking and almost zero enforcement I’m at the point where the only real solution I see involves more physically protected bike lanes. The upcoming bikeway on Telegraph Ave in Oakland, half of which will be physically protected and half using a painted buffer, will be an interesting experiment to test this theory.

  44.  

    Will Snyder

    Question: are the bus stops just to be used by a Muni bus or can a private bus company have use of the space. About three weeks ago, I was waiting for a 14 Mission at about 2:15 am. It was bad enough, I was waiting about 45 minutes for the 14, but with a 14 in sight about five or six blocks away, a private company— I think it was Bauer— parked its bus right in the middle of the bus stop and just sat there. When the light turned green and the 14 Mission approached the spot, it didn’t hit the horn demanding the private bus move 30-45 feet up in the space. It just sped by and I was forced to wait ANOTHER 45 minutes for ANOTHER 14 Mission.

  45.  

    mx

    Samii said that such warnings are only given to delivery drivers, and only when there is a legal nearby parking space and they are not blocking a Muni line or “creating a hazard.” He said an exemption in state law allows commercial drivers to double park while loading under those conditions.

    This makes so little sense. According to the head of enforcement, average joes get tickets immediately, while delivery drivers are entitled to warnings. That’s bad enough, but it gets worse. Delivery drivers are apparently allowed to double park when “there is a nearby legal parking space.” Why? If there’s a perfectly good legal parking space nearby, act like a non-moron and put your vehicle in said space while you’re making your delivery.

    I have some degree sympathy for delivery drivers who wind up double parking in areas where they can’t find a legal place to park. The solution to that problem is more loading zones (and enforcement of said zones) in place of parking. But if there’s a perfectly good parking space next to you and you choose to abandon your car in the middle of the street instead, you’re being a jerk. The same applies to driveways (obviously not those serving large garages). Which is better? A FedEx truck blocking a driveway for two minutes or the same truck blocking Pine St., putting everyone in danger as they have to maneuver around it?

    I also routinely see SFPD routinely ignore double parking. When a patrol car isn’t actively responding to an emergency call and has to go around a double-parked car or truck, the very least they could do is hit the horn and instruct the driver to move on.

  46.  

    M.

    Not for lack of trying (see: @disqus_SEeoxsAvKA:disqus / @FolksforPolk). Besides, Mr. Libertararian-of-Convenience, the dynamic things in our crotches are our business.

  47.  

    M.

    Go for it. Organize, VM.

  48.  

    M.

    The Mayor has embarrassed himself – and got outed.

  49.  

    sfo2cnx

    Would towing double-parked cars work as a deterent?

  50.  

    SF_Abe

    @Prinzrob

    Personally, I’d prefer they pull as far to the right as possible. I don’t like the idea of riding through the narrow canyon between the truck and parked cars (where the driver can pop out any second). I’d rather pass the truck on the left, in the part of the traffic lane that isn’t blocked.

    You’re absolutely right, though, about how dangerous it is to park a truck right at a crosswalk. I regularly cross 16th and 17th at San Bruno (or Utah) and the UPS drivers are almost always either in the crosswalk or up against it, making it impossible for drivers to see me crossing (the fact that they don’t have any stop signal means they’re not even thinking about people crossing there).