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  1.  

    lasttoknow

    I don’t see how you can have one discussion without the other. But the bottom line is that parking meters on Sunday is mean spirited. I personally believe that we the citizens should have one day a week, free from government intrusion. It is simply the government acknowledging that it IS a burden, and one day a week was not too much to ask, to leave us the f**K alone.

  2.  

    gneiss

    Actually, I own my home in the city and am acutely aware of how much in taxes I pay. And I understand how you believe that the city is misusing funds that it raises for various purposes, for I also believe that. However, that’s a totally separate discussion from managing parking demand in a city which has seen a population increase of over 61,000 people in 10 years.

    If you think the Chamber of Commerce is motivated by something else than getting more people into small businesses, then you need to go back to Econ 101 and take that course again. More turnover on city streets = more people visiting shops. Metering is about managing turnover, nothing more. Before you go off on a diatribe about general taxation, remember that this is a site dedicated to streets and streetscapes – not malfeasance in government.

  3.  

    murphstahoe

    at least when I give a gas station money I get something in return

    I read this as you got to spend 15 minutes on I-280, whereas if you gave $4 to the parking meter you’d get to shop in the Mission. If you consider that “getting something in return” your utility function is badly broken.

  4.  

    David D.

    Reiskin’s quote in the second paragraph of the article cannot be understated. What most likely happened is that some PCO’s were rescheduled to work on Sundays, making them unavailable on weekday afternoons. Some parts of the City are absolute zoos during the PM peak, and severe congestion has a negative impact on buses just as much as it does cars. There are very real financial and service implications to public transit when it is trapped by congestion, and some of this congestion can be alleviated by the presence of PCO’s at intersections. I would rather see PCO’s doing traffic duty on weekday afternoons than issuing parking tickets on Sunday afternoons.

  5.  

    lasttoknow

    If you truly believe this has anything to do with something more then the government trying to raise more revenue I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Simple truth is that the government spends OUR money with reckless abandon, and lines the pockets of over paid government employees, union workers etc. If I had ANY sense that the government was not wasting our money in epic ways, I would have absolutely no resistance to taxes, fees, Sunday parking etc. The truth is they are gauging us silly. Corporations on one side the government on the other. They pay lip service to doing public good, helping the poor etc, but far and away the reason they don’t have enough money is that they are spending it like it is someone else’s money. Oh that’s right it is. As an example they made a big push to raise teachers salaries, but there was no money. So they turned into a parcel tax amendment and made this sad story push on how the money would help new teachers and poor districts. Big Lie. It was an across the board pay hike for all teachers, and did almost nothing to address issues they cried about. And it was set up so that 70% of the city residents didn’t even have to pay for it. My friend a teacher making about 78K a year plus benefits got a 3K raise out of that one. Recently they had an amendment to change the way they collected business tax fees, making is sound like it would be more fair, they neglected to tell everyone that smallest and most vulnerable businesses would have their fees TRIPLED..yes tripled. I think the majority of folks who support all these government imposed fees and taxes, simply are those that are not affected by them. If YOU had something to lose I’m sure your support would be considerably less enthusiastic. Taxes, fees, et al are just GREAT, especially if someone else has to pay them.

  6.  

    Payton Chung

    Yes, because my idea of a fun weekend is to pay $10+ per hour to leave a car parked in a remote lot, while I eat dust and dodge semi trucks along the oh-so-enticing shoulder pictured there.

  7.  

    gneiss

    The taxes you pay on gas and for your vehicle fees do not go towards the road construction and maintenance budget in San Francisco. That money goes to the state, which uses it to pay for state highways and roads and CHP. Property and sales taxes, and whatever revenue SFMTA brings in from fines, parking meter revenue etc instead do. It doesn’t matter how expensive it is to run your car in the city, that’s not what’s paying for roads here, so it’s irrelevant to bring that up as a reason why you shouldn’t have Sunday metering.

    The primary reason to have meters is to control demand for on street parking, which has become increasingly scarce as the population in the city has gone up from 776,000 in 2000 to 837,000 currently. In addition, the habits of people have changed. We drive and shop more on Sundays then in the past, which puts increasing pressure on commercial districts. It’s no surprise that the Camber of Commerce has come out in favor of Sunday metering, as it means more turnover on commercial streets to encourage shopping rather than long term storage.

  8.  

    lasttoknow

    Actually about 25% of what I pay for gas also goes to the government, and at least when I give a gas station money I get something in return. Not sure about you, but money I give to the government doesn’t seem to give me personally much, if anything, in return. FYI to travel 2 or 3 miles by car costs me about 35 cents.

  9.  

    Jame

    Did you know there were two restaurant hit and runs on Sunday. A bar in Oakland had a similar incident too, where a car smashed into the window of the bar. :(

  10.  

    murphstahoe

    I used to do a Sunday Mission run to about 3 different little shops,
    but it has become so expensive because of the parking nazis, I just take
    my business else where.

    Presumably somewhere that the parking is free but you give $4 to the Exxon Nazis.

  11.  

    murphstahoe

    It’s not about whether you own a car. It’s whether you can get there without using a car.

  12.  

    Bruce Halperin

    I meant the problem of getting there if one does not own a car. Parking will be scarce no matter what.

  13.  

    iamjared

    “the SFMTA Board of Directors could send us back to 1947— the last time parking meter hours were changed, before they were updated last year” – so you actually mean back to 2012? What a strange way of writing.

    Believe it or not, I’m on your side, but when you choose your words to make people seem more evil than they are, I don’t think you help the cause. Not even a little.

  14.  

    94103er

    Did you not get the part where it’s very hard to park there?

  15.  

    94103er

    First of all, why mention the 1995 closure when there was a huge one in 2006. Second, yes, everyone knows there will be some future subsidence, erosion, etc. But whereas even minor issues prompt a road-for-cars closure a bike/ped trail can stay open if a few rocks crumble and fall onto the road. Repairs would be quicker and easier. Don’t get me wrong–this sounds somewhat unnerving. But you’ve basically removed the risk of catastrophic subsidence by removing the thousands of mulit-ton objects rolling over it every day.

  16.  

    Dork Dork

    Wow, I’m liking Mayor Lee more and more these days. I bailed on Sun shopping along Chestnut long ago, because of the meter hassles. The Mission and the rest of the City would be such a nicer place with a meter haven for just one day a week.

  17.  

    sebra leaves

    April Fools?

  18.  

    Richard Mlynarik

    It’s inevitable that some innocent road users is going to be badly injured some day as a direct result of the out-of-control mid-street parking of the insane religious nutjobs, but you can bet your bottom dollar that none of the above-the-law chuch=state whackjobs involved will pay any price.

    What a disgusting., corrupt, horribly run, pay-to-play city.

  19.  

    Judd

    Can confirm, I’ve ridden it – very very nice.

  20.  

    JB

    Doesn’t most, if not all, meters currently support pay by phone? I know there is a 40 cents charge for that, but that is an option even if it’s not as convenient as inserting a card into the meter.

    Is there a surcharge for using credit cards in the kiosk or meters with the credit card reader built in also?

  21.  

    lasttoknow

    How about the notion that one day a week, we the citizens should be free of the yoke of the burden of government. Sunday parking meters are a stick in the eye of the basic notion of fairness. Perhaps one day government can make the case that they are spending our tax money in a reasonable and rational fashion. The plain and obvious fact is they are not. There is so much pork in the local budget if we, the citizens, even had the foggiest idea of how much money gets wasted, it would make our heads explode. To you knee jerk snobs think it is REASONABLE to pay 4.25 an hour to park on the street in the Mission on Sunday, then take my quarter and you know where to shove it, and that will get you all of 3 minutes. I used to do a Sunday Mission run to about 3 different little shops, but it has become so expensive because of the parking nazis, I just take my business else where. And from personal experience the notion that it is easier to park, is a bunch of crap.

    Funny thing is, that it is our tax dollars that paid for the streets. We pay taxes when we buy our cars, we pay money every year to register them and smog them, we pay for insurance and gas and taxes when we buy gas, and somehow it seems fair to charge us to park on the streets we have already paid for? And this so we can pay government employees and consultants six figure salaries a year, with benefit packages unheard of in the “real world”. But most of the people who are in favor of parking meters on Sunday are folks who don’t have cars, probably don’t pay property taxes or income taxes. Everything is just great as long as someone else is paying for it.

    Sunday parking meters have been the biggest government slap in the face to its citizens in a long long time. When did everyone forget that government is supposed to serve the people not the other way around. If Ed Lee runs on a platform of ending Sunday parking I would vote for him even though I don’t care for him or his policies. Down with Sunday Parking, Down with intrusive government. Free the quarter. yes.

  22.  

    Bruce Halperin

    The problem was that heavy rains would wash away this entire section of roadway, forcing people (by all means of transportation) to take a VERY long detour (for cars, via Highways 92/101/280). This way access between Half Moon Bay and Pacifica will be maintained even if (read: when) Devil’s Slide experiences further erosion.

    By the way, I believe bicycles are permitted in the Tom Lantos Tunnels, and the shoulders there are quite wide. Can anyone confirm?

  23.  

    Bruce Halperin

    Zipcar is designed to solve this problem.

  24.  

    Mario Tanev

    Make signage better, perhaps? Increase enforcement even more so that people learn? Perhaps the 12 pm start time is confusing – people arrive in the morning – no cost and don’t realize they’ll be charged later. Change the start time to 9 am like every other day.

  25.  

    Bruce Halperin

    When too many people speed the street needs to be redesigned so that people aren’t tempted to do so. I’m not sure what the analogue would be here, though – maybe encourage people to take transit rather than drive and get a parking ticket?

  26.  

    aslevin

    I wonder how big of an underserved market there is for recreation for folk who don’t have a car or prefer to avoid the weekend hill traffic. There was a recent article about how tourism has increased in Portland but car rentals have not increased – more people are vacationing without driving.

  27.  

    Mario Tanev

    I can understand the argument that something is awry when the citation rate is higher than the other days. It could be that:

    1. Enforcement is higher on Sundays, in which scaling it down (but not eliminating it) doesn’t sound bad. As far as I understand, this is not the case.
    2. People are still not used to Sunday meters, or refuse to pay for whatever reason. Scaling down enforcement will probably not help to solve the root problem.

    This solution is akin to the 85th percentile speed limit solution. When too many people speed, just make it legal, rather than make it less likely that they speed.

    If people are confused then Muni needs to improve signage and awareness. If people are refusing to pay, Muni should INCREASE enforcement, which will eventually reduce citations.

    But I have to say it’s a smart political move on Reiskin’s part. Even though I am sure he knows it won’t have the desired effect, it won’t make that much of a difference either (because Muni will still aim for the same citation rate as on other days).

  28.  

    Bing Wu

    The mayor wants to get rid of meters and he may well have his way, but Reiskin’s proposal is a reasonable compromise. Sunday metering stays, Ed Lee gets what he wants and enforcement can be restored when we have a better mayor without another debate over Sunday meters. That’s how it sounds to me

  29.  

    Michael Smith

    I believe that Tom only gets about $50/meeting. Given the length of the meetings and the additional work this is most likely less then the minimum wage.

    But to be clear, I completely disagree with Tom’s position.

  30.  

    saimin

    fyi – the Chronicle recommends bicycling to the Devils Slide trail via San Pedro Mountain Road. http://blog.sfgate.com/bicycle/2014/03/31/devils-slide-a-new-trail-on-a-well-worn-path/

  31.  

    timsmith

    Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.

  32.  

    thielges

    … which is good reason to improve access and get more people out there enjoying the trail. If (when?) the next slide destroys the trail then the more people who appreciate it will also push for the funds to repair it.

  33.  

    Aaron Bialick

    Just so there’s no confusion, this is definitely not an April Fools joke.

  34.  

    bobster1985

    I guess Tom Nolan doesn’t want to jeopardize his high-paying position by pissing off Mayor Lee. I can think of no other reason why he’s going along with this farce.

  35.  

    Bob Anderson is my uncle

    Can you link to the podcast?

  36.  

    Aaron Bialick

    Cheryl Brinkman did bring it up, asking Ed when the current rollout of new meters is expected to be completed — he said by the end of the year. No more than that was said, though.

  37.  

    Nicholas Littlejohn

    The costly bypass was for cars. Now the road that often can slide into the ocean is a bike and scenic trail.

  38.  

    Nicholas Littlejohn

    I wonder about the air quality in the tunnels, too.

  39.  

    Nicholas Littlejohn

    There is a Pacifica shuttle and SamTrans will get you to that shuttle from SF or you can start cycling at the zoo.

    Route 17 and http://www.CityofPacifica.org and select “Devil’s Slide Ride.”

  40.  

    BBnet3000

    Thats true for two reasons. The first is that they are narrower, the second is that they wear less.

    The first isnt true here as far as I can tell, theyve maintained the original roadbed width from highway 1. The second may not be true in this case either, if the primary cause of wear is landslides and subsidence rather than use.

    However, my point was that if this CAN be maintained, as in landslides arent that big of an issue, why spend the money on the tunnels? Why not just keep using this for cars?

  41.  

    twinpeaks_sf

    You really can’t be charging over $2/hr (it’s getting up to $6/hr in some places during peak hours) without allowing people to pay with credit cards. Wonder why that wasn’t brought up.

    The SFMTA should really speed up the process of getting those upgraded meters and then I think we’ll be fine. So many times I’ve seen people frustrated with paying – simply because they don’t have a pocket full of quarters.

    Better yet, we should be able to pay with Clipper.

  42.  

    timsmith

    How can meters have hours of enforcement if they are not enforced? Reduced enforcement may be a viable political strategy. This is just silly.

  43.  

    Faded_seaside

    Ha, good April Fool’s joke. Right? …. Right?

  44.  

    timsmith

    (April fools, duh)

  45.  

    EastBayer

    It’s much cheaper to maintain pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure than motor vehicle infrastructure.

  46.  

    BBnet3000

    I dont quite know if i see the point of this trail.

    1. If it is still going to be maintained, why did they bypass it in the first place with the very expensive tunnels?

    2. The points made in this article.

  47.  

    tungwaiyip

    Enjoy the trail while you can. In 1995 a landslide caused a 5 month closure and $3 million to repair. When that happen again the trail may close permanently. The half million annual maintenance budget will not leave anything to fix this kind of major damage.

  48.  

    Bob Gunderson

    People are complaining about the lack of parking around to enjoy this trail. Why not just turn it into a 1.3 miles of slanted parking on the bike trail?

  49.  

    Greg

    I heard a podcast of a recent interview of Mayor Lee at the Commonwealth Club recently and he pretty clearly spelled it out that his position against Sunday meters is solely to get enough voters for a Fall ballot measure for another many million dollars for SF city streets/road repair. His fear is that Sunday metering before this ballot measure would anger enough voters that his ask for another few hundred million for road repair (after the last recent bond measure for this was passed with no noticeable improvement to our horrible roads) would fail. The implication is that once this measure is passed he will go back to supporting Sunday meters. That was my read of his message. Of course what actually should be done is Sunday metering enacted now and SF pay for fixing the roads out of its operating budget. But SF is SF.

  50.  

    gary

    Yes, the worst part is that stretch on HWY 1 that goes from Pacifica to the beginning of the tunnels with cars whizzing by at 50-60 mph. Seems it wouldn’t be too difficult to widen that shoulder or non-shoulder, they really need to do that.