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    I can’t believe people are worried about (car) traffic for a 12 unit development in a neighborhood well served by transit where most people walk, bike or take transit. It is ridiculous there is this much controversy over a tiny project.



    I used to ride the 21 as well, when I first moved to San Francisco 20 years ago. I eventually made the same exact calculation as you and became a cyclist.



    Not everyone is as narrowly self-interested as you are. Plus, many of us take Muni when we are not bicycling.



    The permeability is an important part of the goal. So much of the city have been paved over that the sewer system takes a beating – if water can soak into the ground that’s a big help. The traditional “ring of dirt” isn’t as effective as a bigger rain catchment.



    The DG around the trees on Castro doesn’t look good. Although it’s not concrete, it looks like concrete to 99.9% of the people out there and makes it seem like the city advocates pouring concrete around a tree. If it was done for aesthetics, it backfired. If it was done to make more of the sidewalk walkable, then I think leaving even a small ring of dirt around the tree trunk would look much better and still achieve the walkable surface goal.



    Wow… The Mission is seriously run by the worst human beings in this city…


    Elias Zamaria

    To whom it may concern: the SocketSite link is broken. I am guessing that it should maybe point here:



    Yesterday the following happened. On Townsend between 4th and 3rd, a car blocking the bike lane, right next to a parked car, no way to pass on the right. The Giants first pitch was in 20 minutes so needless to say Townsend was gridlocked – as such I had no way through to the left. I was basically stuck in traffic – which happens… to people who drive their cars to the Giants t game, but I was on my bike blocked by this turd.

    When the light changed, traffic on the left started to move, about 3 cars back I managed to convince someone to let me navigate around the blockage. And what to my wondering eyes would appear but a wide open metered spot – like a Northern White Rhino – two spots in front of the double parker. I pointed at the spot – and the double parker pointed at where the door of the apartment their friend was soon to exit from and refused to move into the spot. I whipped out my cellphone camera to document the absurdity, the friend hopped in the car, the driver flipped me off then whipped a u-turn across 3 lanes of traffic.

    I didn’t consider this to be an unusual event – except for the empty parking spot.


    Aaron Bialick

    Fair enough, I’ll change it.


    Ziggy Tomcich

    This sort of protected infrastructure is what we need if biking is ever going to become viable for most people. My question is how can we make this happen? The SFMTA has already said publicly that protected intersections are never going to be considered because “we’re not ready for them”. The SFMTA has a policy of throwing a scrap bone of 1 block of a partially protected bike lane for every project they do so they can claim they’re doing something to promote vision zero while preserving car-first interests. The SFBC seems to be taking Zoloft because they cheerily promote every scrap bone that’s thrown to us without questioning the direction we’re going or offering a better vision for a bike friendlier San Francisco! What can we do to change this?



    data without a citation is meaningless.



    There is no bike lane on Marina Blvd. There is room for one – if we remove a traffic lane. I presume you will lobby for it!



    Honestly, Supervisor Farrell’s opinion piece offers some good recommendations for mitigating construction-related inefficiencies. I think it’s a little reductive to simply call it a “quest for more parking.”



    I’ll add that those 3-street intersections along Upper Market are completely unaccommodating for people walking. If you want to walk east- or westbound on Market, you have to wait through two light cycles to make it completely across – as I’m sure many of those reading here know all too well. At least for the Market/Noe/16th intersection, you might close (or make local access only) Noe St, as is already done regularly for the farmer’s market with little trouble. Let’s bring this and other ideas to the meeting tonight!



    I actually studied this particular intersection and provided it as an example to someone who suggested that streetcars are not compatible with roundabouts. It’s a very elegant junction and is quite amazing to watch the ballet in real life. Most everyone understands how to negotiate each other’s right-of-way and few conflicts occur. Granted these streets in Amsterdam carry far less (though not an insignificant amount of) auto traffic – but if you elevate transit and bicycling to this level of quality, more people will be motivated to leave their cage and hop on a tram or bicycle.



    Question: what percentage of the US population are miners, farmers, and lumberjacks? Hint: my cousin-in-law farms 10,000 acres pretty much by himself. And a self driving plow or combine is an easier problem than a car. 95% adoption is effectively 100%.

    As for your private eye scenario? I think you’ve just made my point about how the older generations sometimes simply can’t see where things are headed. That cell phone in your pocket? You don’t think that’s tracked? My wife knows where my phone is – and thus probably where I am – all the time. I’m not belittling you – I struggle mightily to see the same changes. I am just now figuring out that the $75 I send to Directv every month gives me less than 20-30 bucks of netflix/iTunes/hulu streaming. I’ll miss some live sports but the young kids tell me “save the money and go to some actual games”

    I would prefer Yosemite without the traffic – more importantly knowing this future I hope we don’t foolishly build more parking lots or pave more roadways there that will then be unused in a generation.



    You wrote that you couldn’t find accident data. Now you have that data.
    It’s ironic that bicyclists claim safety concerns when they are at fault for the majority of accidents.



    Looking forward to this!

    Of course my dream for gigantic intersections like the Noe+Market+14th craziness is something along the lines of these:

    Btw, lest anyone say “we don’t have room for that,” these intersections along Upper Market are actually larger (MapFrappe comparison below). A modified ovoidal version could work:



    True–at transit stops that’d be a nice variation on the bike corral. Bike locker corral!



    Great point!

    Images of full bike shuttle after full bike shuttle (and also buses full of foot-goers) would probably also lend “optics” to the need for the real solution–a bike/ped facility to SF.



    Here’s a question: Just how far out in the boonies will the self-driving car system work? We’ll still need farmers, miners and lumberjacks, although perhaps by then we’ll have robots doing all the grunt work. I guess as us old folks die off, resistance to being part of the Borg will disappear. People of “my generation” and even my daughters’ age group grew up in an America where it was assumed that part of growing up was owning a car. My first wife (now deceased) thought that anyone who didn’t drive a car had “something wrong with them”. Looking into the future, one can envision a jealous spouse hiring a private eye who is also a hacker to see where the autonomous car takes the other party, and maybe even divert the car away from an adulterous tryst. Regarding the world where your son will live, perhaps we’ll get back to taking trains to the National Parks and other scenic and historic places. Imagine Yosemite without the traffic jams during the busy season.


    Richard Mlynarik

    Not wishing to be repetitive, but …

    Applies to 1250 San Carlos Avenue, San Carlos, California in specific, as well as to the grand generality of the “101 Corridor”


    Bryan Goebel

    Yes! And they just repaved that stretch too.



    This probably would be a separate project, but we really need an eastbound bike lane on Market from Eureka to Castro. People on bikes coming down from Corbett have to use that stretch since 17th is one-way, and right now there’s nothing, not even sharrows.



    My guess is that once the Bay Bridge East Span bike path touches down on Yerba Buena/Treasure Island the bike traffic is going to be pretty significant, especially on the weekends. A bike shuttle like the one Caltrans runs on weekdays, or like the one between Alameda and Downtown Oakland, would make sense between the island and SF. At least until the Treasure Island ferry landing is built.



    This makes complete streets / routine accommodation sound like a ruse. Empty promises, just a bunch of words with no action.

    This is exactly the sort of situation that should trigger an improvement of bike and ped access. Put the whole project on hold until enough funds are found to do it right. Otherwise we’re stuck with expecting bicyclists and pedestrians to navigate through high speed cloverleaf interchanges forever.



    Put em in the street!



    I am a vacuumist, but I also sweep on occasion.



    Reminds me of Mikael Colville-Andersen’s funny takedown of the oft-misguided assumptions behind the “cyclist” label–he points out labeling someone as a “cyclist” is akin to calling someone a “vacuumist.”

    For people with bikes, it’s a tool used as needed as context dictates.

    Btw, this can encompass a wide range of people–including my own octogenarian grandparents who happen to hop on their bikes once or twice every day.



    Today’s 60 year olds might move into a new house and still call AT&T to install a telephone line. Because that’s one of the things you put in a new house, right? Even though they have a cellphone, they still have a land line.

    My 6 year old has no idea what a landline telephone is. To them a phone is something you put in your pocket. It will never occur to them to have a landline connected. That’s the point about the TV – when I was in college I didn’t have a TV because I decided I could save some money so I sacrificed it. The current crop of college students doesn’t consider a TV a luxury – in many cases it would simply be a useless burden.

    In 10 years, he will be 16. If there is a self driving car fleet and I have the choice of …

    1) Giving him a debit card that will allow him to be picked up in a vehicle by himself or just with his friends, but he might have to pre-schedule the ride or wait a few minutes or…

    2) Buying him a car, teaching him how to drive and go through drivers ed, hoping that he survives the learning curve without killing himself, hoping that he doesn’t drive drunk, etc….

    I am picking option #2. Not even close.

    Now, when he’s 23 and gets out of college, he will have never driven a car, have no license, and no concept of the need for a personally owned car. At that point, will he personally comprehend switching from the current existence to the other – and want to spend money to buy a car and go through the process of qualifying to drive one? And use up potential living space to store it?

    It’s not about getting older people to give up their cars. It’s about what the next generation will choose.



    At least some younger people living on/going towards hills have figured out that bike + transit can be an amazing thing :D


    Thomas Rogers

    A detail-type correction in CAPS:

    “Menlo Park’s 2012 El Camino Real & Downtown Specific Plan proposed building UP TO TWO [not five] five-level parking garages on the city’s parking plazas over the next 20 years.”



    That’s an excellent place for BikeLink, as well. In the past I’ve just left my bike locked on the sidewalk nearby West Portal station hoping it’d still be there once I got back–crossing your fingers is basically all you can currently do.

    Hopefully they’ll find the space for BL lockers at various key bus stops, as well. If you only need your bike to get to the bus this will cut down on the need to use a bus rack even though you won’t need your bike for the remainder of the trip.



    You may have a point–it may be that the “millennials” just take out their hand-held digital devices and do various tasks while waiting for the “Lyft” or “Uber” car to show up, and in the future, for the autonomous auto to arrive. Not sure how a TV compares to a car–one is an entertainment medium and the other is a means of transportation.


    Bob Gunderson

    I say just get rid of all the bus stops.



    Why take the 21 when you can walk and get there nearly as fast, but at least with a little exercise, some space, and some fresh air?



    You sound as if “cyclists” are people who never get around by any other means than by cycling. You may be surprised that “cyclists” also drive, take transit, or walk.



    A little birdie told me some of these are coming to the surface lots on West Portal, providing for easy + safe Bicycle Muni Metro trips.



    Good to see there are plans for bike racks outside Muni stops, but I personally probably wouldn’t use them if they were the open bike racks. Unlike an open rack directly outside a busy café, any would-be thieves would know it’s virtually guaranteed that bikes at a Muni stop were not being presently watched over by their likely absent owners. I’d use BikeLink at a bus stop, though!

    Also, glad to see the 25 on the list for 3-bike racks–it will be needed!

    This problem came up for me this weekend when a couple friends and I were pondering biking Yerba Buena/Treasure Island. But with no bike/ped bridge yet it comes down to bus. Yet since there were 3 of us we figured it’d be annoying to have two people go on one bus and then one wait for the next (and this is if no one else also were using the racks). End result? We went elsewhere.

    Also, presumably once the bike/ped bridge does touch down on YB Island there will be a fairly steady stream of people on bikes needing to bus onwards to SF. That 3-bike rack will probably be in constant use.



    I agree that there are excess stops on this line. However, they can’t take Masonic away because of the transfer. They can’t take Baker away because of the retirement community there. The stop at Broderick was removed for parking when the much-needed bike lane on Fell was upgraded, and a smart move. That leave Central and Lyon. Neither one is “necessary”, but it would have been just as easy to remove Lyon as Central. Given the choice, the removal of Lyon would have less of an impact on the neighborhood than removing Central. I would have thought that they would get rid of the stop at Lyon, in order to keep Central.



    Not sure what information to derive from this stat pertaining to this topic.



    News Flash… A drunk man somewhere in the city hit 9 people in his truck because he floored it in a parking lot … so now we must end parallel parking on this stretch of Marina Blvd.



    Agreed, though in fairness there is the whole Lost Coast which is pretty inaccessible to everyone. But especially in the Bay Area, the waterfront should be reserved largely for people, not just cars. At least not just a huge parking lot.



    I can sympathize with the business owner, but those stops are only a few hundred feet apart. It seems like his plea is akin to Polk Street Merchants who didn’t want to give up some street parking even though 90% of their customers arrive on foot.
    Really, get rid of the stop and buy the guy a sandwich sign for the corner of Masonic. A majority of the thriving cafes in SF don’t have MUNI stops outside their front door, and the cafe or kiosk at Church/Duboce right at 2 MUNI and BUS stops shut down rather hastily due to lack of business.




    Jeff Pollard

    Man, if my business is struggling I’m just going to petition for a muni stop in front of my door. That seems to be the secret here. Pay attention struggling SF businesses!



    Saw the new 3-bike racks on the 44-O’Shaugnessy all weekend – looking good. The farthest out and middle slots are angled so that one can access the innermost slot. Overall the racks look much more solidly built than the previous design. Next I’ll have to try it out with my own bike.



    I guess the SFMTA should have their Oprah moment where everyone gets a bus stop for doing great work for the community.



    Thanks for showing everyone how absolutely out of touch you are, Sebra.



    I thought removing 1 or 2 stops in this area was going to be less controversial than this given its logicalness (word?). As @disqus_BqcFgCmZDL:disqus noted, the Grove & Laguna stop is ridic, but speaking just to the Panhandle, perhaps SFMTA had some overreach with stop removal, ahem, consolidation, proposals, but does that now mean we get none??