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    Alexander Vucelic

    good point;

    migrating The HQ over a 5-7 year period would also save Google a fortune.



    There is a map on page 7 of the Google Bike Vision Plan that shows where Google employees live. No hard numbers, but they seem to be evenly split between Mountain View and SF (Mission/Marina/East SOMA). There’s also a small hot spot in North San Jose, but that’s about it.

    So, Google should expand their presence in SF until it’s roughly equal to their presence in Mountain View. Right now their SF office is about a tenth of the size of the Googleplex.

    They probably don’t want to do that, because of innovation or something. But it would certainly eliminate a lot of wasted employee time sitting on buses.



    Google tried to build a whole bunch of employee housing inside Mountain View. If that’s not trying to buy an election, dunno what is…



    It seems like many major “improvements” to offramps and the like, which are supposed to bring them up to modern standards, result in straightened curves and wider lanes: not so much making it safer, as making it easier to navigate at high speeds. This may succeed at keeping a reckless speeder from driving off the road, but it’ll only result in people entering city streets at higher speeds and with less attention paid. If anything, it might prevent an incompetent driver from hitting a wall (because he was driving too fast) only for him to later hit a person (because he was driving too fast).

    If anything, I think an offramp ought to have a curve which forces drivers to slow down. With plenty of signs announcing it, of course. That might help, e.g. in the case of Marc Nagata smashing cars into a cafe.

    I wonder what the results of the new Doyle Drive will be.



    If Google had spent a tiny fraction of what it cost to make their report, or pay their architects, to instead buy itself a slate of candidates in the last election to Mountain View city council I don’t think they’d run into problems like this.

    Perhaps that is already what happens and Google’s rivals have dumped enough money stomping on their dreams in city hall.

    I feel like this whole story is indicative of the great achilles heel of nerds – they think that if only they generate the right ideas that somehow their will will be done. Their expansion wouldn’t make that much difference, but remaking the streets of this small American city would be revolutionary.



    Ok, opposite of stress, but effective distance 1.5x vs pavement for some (and unacceptable route for others).



    Riding 3 miles on dirt and gravel is not low stress. It is the absolute opposite of stress!



    You do realize you picked the #1 bicycling location in the nation, where the first bike lanes were built.

    My point is that people shouldn’t judge Mountain View harshly for having a lot of high-stress roads and crossings. Very, very few cities in the US are any better because cars dominate our cities.



    Parts of that map are right, but others are wrong wrong wrong. Embarcadero and Alma in Palo Alto -> Moderate Stress !!. Bike lane sections of Mary and Homestead in Sunnyvale – High Stress!! Hollenbeck, no bike lanes, no space, Moderate stress! Foothill Expy with a light every half mile and 8 foot bike lanes, high stress?? Maybe for some. Also, access via unpaved bay trail = low stress on other maps. Great, lets all ride 3 miles on dirt and gravel.



    6400 for all shuttles in the fleet, or just SF? Google runs shuttles from all over the place.


    Alexander Vucelic

    Dude – like the 6,400 number is straight from Google totally man



    I’m skeptical of that number. Google has 53,000 worldwide employees. Even if every single one of them worked in MV, by your stats above that means 8000 take a shuttle. And it’s well established that the shuttle program goes to many places besides SF. And it’s definitely established that far less than 100% of Google’s workforce works in MV.


    Aaron Bialick


    Elias Zamaria

    The South Bay bike advocacy link appears to be broken. Sorry to complain about so many broken links, but I really want to see what it is about.



    Now imagine how many more gains we could get on San Jose Ave by providing an actual physical buffer! There’s totally room:



    Clearly what she means is that she was paid to park. Car parking is so vital to business that it should come as no surprise that they’re willing to give a little gift to someone considerate enough to park in front of them.


    Alexander Vucelic

    good find – it’s 61 indeed,

    and Googleplex likely does better than this which of course begs the question how much better would a SF Google HQ do than the average mode share of 47% :)

    6,400 Googlers use the SF – MV shuttle every day.



    You do know there are trolley tracks on Market, correct?



    that’s the point. the cars are blocking the entire lane. cars turning right need to be all the way on the right which most of the time they are not. the cars going straight are usually in the middle or on the left so there’s no space for cyclists to go.



    This is a case where the cyclists should position themselves better in the lane. Either on the left to make space for a right turning vehicle or in the middle of the lane (taking the lane). But never on the inner part of the curb, even if there is a striped bike lane.



    You’ve just proved the opposite of what you are claiming. If everyone from SF working at Google is taking the bus to Google, yet their private car mode share is 75%, that means that most of their employees are not living in SF. Most of their employees are sprawled out in the South Bay – and they would then be driving to SF instead of MV.



    In one of the garages. They will have to pay like everyone else.



    Not in the Bay Area, admittedly, but…….Davis? Similar population. Similar “campus” situation adjacent to a small/medium town. Similar rail connection (Mountain View has a far more frequent connection, so this should be easier) … …



    I agree. Delivery trucks double-park around that area a lot too making the whole thing a real maze for cyclists.



    North Bayshore mode share, December 2014 page 97.

    Current North Bayshore mode share is 61% and Google does better than the NBS average (I’m not sure that’s written down)


    Alexander Vucelic

    web search but could be wrong – do you have a link with solid data ?



    Market at New Montgomery and at 2nd need help. Those are the worst intersections where autos try to turn right but never allow space for cyclists to pass on the left. Result is bikes stuck in between curb and turning cars



    Driving to google is under 50%, where did you get those numbers?


    Alexander Vucelic

    current modal share at Googleplex is

    walk 0%
    bike 9%
    bus approx 15%
    private car 75%

    SF modal share
    walk 10%
    bike 3%
    bus.etc 32%
    private car 46%

    traffic congestion would be hugley reduced by SF move



    I invite you to visit Mountain View and note the traffic headed to google on Shoreline and 237 – even the San Tomas Creek Trail. Moving the HQ to SF would increase travel, not decrease it


    Fran Taylor

    One reason to allow taxis on Market is to serve riders with disabilities, who may need door to door service. Cabs are required to pick up people with service dogs, wheelchairs, etc. Uber and Lyft famously disrespect people with disabilities.



    Read the article, “On Market between Third and Eighth Streets, where the turn bans would go into effect, private auto drivers make up just 10-30 percent of roadway traffic but were involved in 82 percent of the 162 injury collisions in 2012 and 2013, according to Maguire. Most pedestrians were injured in crosswalks.”


    Alexander Vucelic

    tried to Find exact numbers unavailable but The extensive Google Shuttle bus Service from SF to MV Points to a significant percentage of employees already living in SF. Migrating HQ to SF over 5 -7 years would do more to reduce VMF than anything.



    But for Uber to be exempt would basically render the restrictions meaningless, because there is no limit to the number of Uber vehicles, and Ubers look almost exactly like regular cars.

    Basically, anyone could stick a “U” on their windshield and viola, instant Market access.



    Theoretically, professional drivers are better drivers. Theoretically.



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    Totally. The city should call their bluff. Put together a list of the regulations that Uber would follow if regulated as a taxi service and offer the Market street taxi exemption in return.



    The story is complicated. Mountain View City Council didn’t simply tell Google to take a hike because they didn’t like Google. The City created a plan allowing millions of square feet of office development in North Bayshore, and then accepted applications for the development. Google applied for 100% of the square feet available. In order for Mountain View to accept Google’s application entirely, the Council would have needed to boot LinkedIn and the other companies that are also located in North Bayshore. Council made a decision according to the process it set up, and granted Google only part of its application.

    This has several unfortunate consequences. Not only does it put the transportation investments in limbo, it also puts the prospects of good residential development for North Bayshore in limbo. The previous council had disallowed housing in North Bayshore, but the new Council members elected with the campaign goal of enabling housing, and decided to set that in motion. But the process for planning the housing/mixed use neighborhood was set up to happen after divvying up the office space. Google also owns key parcels along Shoreline which the city had earlier identified as valuable for housing, in part because of the direct shuttle connection to downtown. Google had also been offering to use those parcels for housing. That proposal is also in limbo.

    But it may not be too late. The process to plan housing is coming up starting this summer; there could possibly be some way for the city to work with Google to provide more of what it wants in exchange for the housing site.



    It’s a little more nuanced (and somewhat ridiculous). Uber isn’t opposing the restrictions in general, just the fact that they are subject to the restrictions.

    Of course, the question is why, if autos are so dangerous on Market St., is the plan to allow unlimited access for taxis, commercial vehicles, semi-trailers, etc…?


    Aaron Bialick

    The quote from Uber spokesperson Eva Behrend we cited from the Chronicle: “Market Street is a major artery of the city, and cutting off riders and driver-partners from accessing this thoroughfare will increase gridlock around town, with no improvement to safety.”

    Not sure where we’re supposed to be deliberately misleading you to.


    Aaron Bialick




    The headline is deliberately misleading. Uber doesn’t oppose the restrictions – they just want an exemption for themselves. That is a hypocritical stance to take, but it’s important to report that stance accurately.



    Is there a brochure we could package this up in to give the merchants of Polk Street? I’m being snarky, but I’m basically serious.



    most of its employees already live in SF [citation needed]


    Josh Levinger

    How about if they’re exempt if their drivers are regulated like taxis? That would be fair.


    Elias Zamaria

    To whom it may concern: the link to Hoodline appears broken. I think it is supposed to point to



    It was planned from the beginning in 2012 that Jefferson Street be redesigned from Hyde to Powell, The City is just completing what it started four years ago.



    Its sad when your private corporations have to do this type of work. The city government should be providing this type of infrastructure.



    Except it’s basically the opposite here. Google is begging to stay and promising hundreds of millions in “community benefits.”


    Alexander Vucelic

    Google should just build a high rise in SF and slowly ditch the campus in the ‘burbs. most of its employees already live in SF