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  1.  

    murphstahoe

    Rich – you do know I find this delicious that you are now being deflected yourself :)

    SF – blah
    Rich – excellent rebuttal
    SF – No, my real point is blah
    Rich – excellent rebuttal
    SF – Well, the real issue is…

    Hoist on own petard :)

  2.  

    SF4SF

    The real issue is pace. All cities and neighborhoods change organically and comfortably over time. The current boom is creating forced change much too fast. It’s fueled by greed for tech money.

    It is making San Francisco less diverse, forcing out minorities. The newcomers are much less tolerant and don’t “play well with others” that look different from them. It is a culture change that conflicts with our values. So we don’t welcome them.

    It is not prejudice when fact and personal observations corroborate the conclusion. We are protecting the city we made and love and it’s minority and blue collar residents. .

  3.  

    RichLL

    Nobody is “invading” your neighborhood. People are simply choosing where to live, just like you once did, presumably.

    Given San Francisco’s well renowned reputation for tolerance and respect for diversity, I would imagine that you welcome any new neighbors, right? And not allow petty prejudices and bigoted biases to pollute your thinking?

  4.  

    SF4SF

    Can we agree that we should find all way to encourage people to live near their jobs. My concern is that the current building boom in SF is targeted to SV commuters rather than those that have been economically displaced.and are now forced to commute of change jobs. SF businesses are losing workers to this dynamic.

  5.  

    SF4SF

    My point was that driving is more tiring for anybody than riding a shuttle. Thus I’m not worried that more will drive even if they have to catch a taxi to the shuttle hub, Somehow Caltrain gets major ridership without suggesting their trains need to invade our neighborhoods to keep cars off the road. God forbid I suggest shuttle riders take Muni and actually associate with their neighbors for a few minutes.

  6.  

    SF4SF

    I think you misunderstood my comment, I’m happy for tourists including those from Silicone Valley.

  7.  

    Jeffrey Baker

    Right! SF would have to build housing non-stop for decades to catch up with the surrounding cities in terms of housing-to-jobs ratio.

  8.  

    murphstahoe

    “We’re happy for more tourists, but not to be their bedroom suburb.”

    Except when they come for Bay to Breakers. We hate that. And Fleet Week. What a disaster, especially near the wharf which sucks now anyway since the tourists ruined it. And don’t get me started on the Super Bowl. That crap has to go.

    And of course, those tourists damn well better not stay in an AirBnB.

  9.  

    RichLL

    Why is “driving harder for a tech employee”? Are they more spatially challenged? Less dexterous? More visually impaired? Lack eye-hand-foot co-ordination?

    Also, it is lame for anyone in San Francisco to argue that we should not be housing people who work outside of the city. Every day about 100,000 people commute out of the city. And about five times that number commute into the city.

    So the reality is that suburbs subsidise the city by housing the city’s workers. They don’t owe us – we owe them.

  10.  

    SF4SF

    Since driving is harder for a tech employee, I’m sure the will continue to shuttle until they figure out that they should live near their work and only come to San Francisco for recreation. We’re happy for more tourists, but not to be their bedroom suburb.

  11.  

    roymeo

    4% of 10,000 people = 400 people.
    But do all of them live in San Francisco??

  12.  

    eugene

    certainly something for fb to watch, but not really a trend imo…still lower than 2012 and 2013. also, wasn’t there more rain this winter?

  13.  

    yermom72

    “Facebook disclosed” = Facebook inserted this factoid into the press to pressure the city, and the press bit.

  14.  

    Jame

    True! At least Facebook reclaimed existing real estate instead of green field development.

  15.  

    Roger Rudick

    Thanks Chris. I share your pain. I’ve even manually blocked these people and Disqus still lets them through sometimes.

  16.  

    davistrain

    To some people, the car is an extension of their being. The idea of being outside of the car except at their destination makes them feel “vulnerable”.

  17.  

    Michael Smith

    I’m truly impressed that an article shows stats of 54% folks driving in January and then promotes a claim that changes in February caused a big increase to 54%.

    Please be more discerning.

  18.  

    voltairesmistress

    I thought it worth a try. So tired of his ghoulish pleasure whenever a bicyclist hits the pavement. 😜

  19.  

    Chris J.

    Why can’t Disqus get their act together and prevent or remove these spam messages? Every one of them is in bold and contains weird characters. How hard can it be to automatically flag them?

  20.  

    murphstahoe

    “local residents and voters who think this is a tempest in a teacup, and who don’t see why they should be punished”

    “Napkin math suggests about 400 additional Facebook drivers on San Francisco streets and highway 101 following the shuttle changes.”

    Hint – a lot of those 400 cars are brand new and are now being parked on those streets every night.

    Add another 400 Googlers and 400 Applers.

    Great Success!

  21.  

    RichLL

    But those local residents have a point. If SFMTA’s plan was to have two separate bus stops for two different classes of bus on the same block or in the same immediate area, and just because those two different classes of buses cannot play nice with each other, then that is dumb.

    Each bus stop takes out about 3-4 parking spaces. Why have duplicate stops when one bus service (Muni) runs, say, a bus every 15 minutes and the other (Tech Shuttles) runs just a few per day, 5 days a week, and only at certain times?

    The real problem here is the petty-minded opposition to the shuttles, and not the local residents and voters who think this is a tempest in a teacup.

  22.  

    94110

    Not so sure there’s an article here. Looking at the graph, it’s only a 2% change year over year.

    The only other year over year period in this data set (2012-12 and 2013-12) shows a 5% change. Seems like a pretty noisy graph.

    The most recent sample point was before changes were made.

    Also, if workers are moving closer to campus, they are moving into auto dependent areas, and are almost certainly more likely to drive. There might be a story worth writing about that.

  23.  

    murphstahoe

    Facebook did not build this campus

  24.  

    Mario Tanev

    Several very popular stops were supposed to be MOVED, but instead were REMOVED due to free-parking opposition and are now in limbo, adding 20-30 minutes of walking to long commutes. Not surprised at the outcome.

  25.  

    Jeffrey Baker

    I’m not sure there’s enough data here to support the conclusion. Are we even sure that this is supposed to be the mode share for trips from SF? Or for all Bookfaces generally? If the latter it could be that their workers are moving to, or their new hires already lived in, places which are not well-served by their shuttle program.

  26.  

    peternatural

    If the goal is to improve Muni service, keep the shuttle restrictions coming!

    If the goal is to encourage techies to go somewhere else by making it a pain to get to their jobs, I doubt you’ll have much luck. Short of shutting down the highways… #WarOnCars Hey I’d be on board. Caltrain.

  27.  

    BBnet3000

    Wow, the cycling percentage is way lower than the San Mateo average too. Build an extremely campus in the middle of a parking lot distant from transit and the towns where anybody lives, and driving is the predictable result. It’s Freeway Oriented Development.

  28.  

    p_chazz

    I happened to see this article over at Hoodline and I thought it would be of interest here. I will thank you to not impugn my motives.

  29.  

    murphstahoe

    The way this whole thing has gone down in SF is completely asinine.

    None of these changes are causing migration back South. When we lost our apartment in SF, I would have moved South if we could have found anything comparable – reasonable living quarters near any sort of business corridor/downtown. It just didn’t exist. The net impact of making the shuttle programs more complex is more driving – period.

  30.  

    murphstahoe

    you’re talking to a man that called the vigil in the castro last night “insipid”

  31.  

    voltairesmistress

    P_chazz, Would you please stop trolling bicyclists, especially posting stories of their injuries and deaths due to their human errors, miscalculations, or panicked reactions? It is unkind and unseemly. More importantly, it helps drive wedges among groups of people who are natural allies — walkers, bike riders, transit users, and even motorists who are responsible and willing to advocate for other users’ needs. Bringing about change is a hard business. The world is not made a better place by your unkind and poorly thought through postings.

  32.  

    davistrain

    If your intended victim drives a large truck, a 200 ton diesel locomotive will turn that person’s rig into scrap metal. Even a 50-ton trolley car can do a lot of damage. Here’s a photo from our ancient archives. The truck driver survived–the trailer was torn loose from the tractor (cab unit) of this early semi rig–but he was probably an ex-truck driver by the end of the day. Oct. 1939, Pacific Electric line in Arcadia CA.

  33.  

    murphstahoe

  34.  

    p_chazz

    60 year old woman thrown from bike suffers severe head trauma at 11th and Howard. From Hoodline:

    http://www.hoodline.com/2016/06/thrown-from-bike-11th-howard-cyclist-suffers-severe-head-trauma

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    Disqus10021

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  39.  

    david vartanoff

    I never claimed older is righter(sic). My point was decades of personal experience riding various mass transit systems in the US. which is why I corrected the errors about who did big windows, A/C, ATC, AFC, prohibition of smoking first because I watched these advances happen. If you look at BART ridership stats, the bulk is west of the East Bay Hills/within SF. Ride east from SF on a late evening train of standees leaving Embarcadero, and see it leave Rockridge nearly empty. Yes,as a generality, building transit to underdeveloped areas often encourages densification; unfortunately in BART’s case the Dublin and far end of the Concord line run into SFD subdivision land. Denser housing continues to be built along both the Fremont and Richmond lines.

  40.  

    RichLL

    The 7% number is nominal, not inflation-adjusted. Inflation was high in the early years of Prop 13 but has been muted in recent years, as I feel sure you know.

    Can’t recall where I read that number although I’m sure you can Google the topic. But if you think about it, it’s fairly reasonable because:

    1) A 2% baseline increase is allowed each year and, believe me, cities ALWAYS apply it even if inflation is less than 2%

    2) The average home ownership duration is 7 years and, upon a sale, the tax is re-based to market

    3) New homes are an increasingly large percentage of the total inventory, and start out on a market basis

    I’m not going to get bogged down on debates about schools. In the end the voters decide how and how much to fund schools and, if you think schools are more important than safety or transit or public health, then you should take that up with the voters. But I’d support local funding of schools as long as it was revenue-neutral.

    Re “stupid”, I really don’t know why you are ascribing that epihet to any voters. It seems rude and you haven’t proven it applies. Disagreeing with you doesn’t mean someone is stupid, no matter how comforting that thought might be to you.

  41.  

    Dave Moore

    Do you have a reference for the 7% number? Is it inflation adjusted? Is it adjusted for the population change? California is up over 70% since prop 13 was passed.

    The numbers for per pupil spending on elementary / secondary schools are deep in this US Census document
    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/econ/g13-aspef.pdf

    This has nothing to do with UC or community colleges.

    In this one (Table 11) California is not in the bottom 5. We’re 34th. Yay? Most of the states below us also have a lower cost of living though and since the bulk of the costs are salaries it doesn’t speak well for us.

    Closer to home is table 18. That shows per pupil spend for the largest 100 school districts. SFUSD spends $9938 per pupil. NYC is the largest. It spends $20331. Boston is about the same size as SF. It spends $20502. Our results aren’t such that we can claim we’re doing more with less. We are simply doing less with less.

    I never used the word “stupid” to describe the taxpayers who passed prop 13. You assumed that. You know what they say about people who assume.

  42.  

    RichLL

    “It’s entirely possible that more was lost by reducing property taxes than was made up for by income taxes.”

    But I’ve already pointed out that property tax revenues have increased by an average of 7% per annum despite Prop 13. So why do you claim that Prop13 “REDUCED” property taxes?

    As for “funding public education” that sounds to me like it includes things like UC and community colleges, and not just schools. That may mean that students have to pay their own way a little more or take on more debt in order to featherbed their future, but it doesn’t mean the education is any worse.

    I was educated back East.

    I’m curious why you think the voters were “stupid” to understand that municipalities having unlimited powers to increase property taxes regardless of ability to pay was somehow a bad thing.

  43.  

    Dave Moore

    “You claimed that we have high state income and sales taxes because of Prop 13. That implies the state merely took with the one hand what was taken from the other”

    Nonsense. It says nothing about the total amounts. It’s entirely possible that more was lost by reducing property taxes than was made up for by income taxes. it’s math. California used to do a good job teaching it. Perhaps you attended school post Prop 13. Or perhaps you’re just not good at it all on your own.

    “But I am not aware that we are spending less on education.”
    http://ed100.org/support/californiaskimps/
    California was once a top funder of public education, but that was long ago. … In a long, slow slide, California has joined Florida and Texas toward the bottom of the national stack. Funding per student in California, adjusted for inflation, is only slightly above where it stood forty years ago.

    That says that our funding for schools per student is about even to 40 years ago, while the rest of the country has greatly enhanced it. So I guess one could say you were right that we didn’t decrease it but instead failed to increase it as the rest of the states did. In any event we currently rank near the bottom when we used to rank near the top. As do our results.

    “You think the voters are stupid and I don’t.”
    I’m relatively certain one of them is.

  44.  

    RichLL

    Well, David, if older = righter than I can’t compete with 61 years. To your last point:

    “Muni’s net cost per rider carried is lowest.”

    Well, of course. Muni rides are the shortest and the quickest. So obviously the cost would be less than, say, a 50 mile trip on BART or CalTrain. The average Muni trip is probably 2-3 miles.

    However the average cost per ride on Muni is a stunning $10 a pop. With a fare of just $2.25, even an old guy like you can presumably see the problem.

    And of course capital is often funded separately from operations. That is the point that Jamison made very eloquently in this thread. And it is as it should be since, without buildout and capital investment, we’d have no transit system.

    Note also that the Warm Springs extension isn’t just to serve that community but rather as a vital link to San Jose. That said, Warm Springs is part of Fremont – now the 4th largest city in the Bay Area. It overtook Hayward a while ago.

  45.  

    RichLL

    “I can only assume you support one (Prop 13) because it personally benefits you and not the other (Rent control) because it personally disadvantages you.”

    You know what they say about people who assume. Rent control doesn’t hurt me at this point. I actually thinks it hurts tenants, for the reasnos given, and can help landlords by driving up market rents. Prop 13 benefits everyone, IMO.

    “I never said that CA simply replaced the revenues. I said it shifted sources”

    You claimed that we have high state income and sales taxes because of Prop 13. That implies the state merely took with the one hand what was taken from the other. And that is my view also, and that the “sources” are now more appropriate i.e. based on earnings and ability to spend.

    “The primary beneficiary of income tax is the state while property taxes go to the localities responsible for schools.”

    Another thing that Prop 13 did is centralize educational funding. It’s actually a negative IMO because I’d rather fund my local school than one in Fresno. But I am not aware that we are spending less on education.

    Oh, and did you know that property tax revenues have increased by an average of 7% per annum since Prop 13. Are you suggesting that inadequate?

    “You’re either joking or deluded.”

    Neither. You asked a hypothetical question so there are no correct answers. You think the voters are stupid and I don’t.

  46.  

    Mike Sicard

    I’m all for getting cars off the road, but not everyone can or will walk or ride a bike. The buses and trains are filthy, poorly maintained, unreliable, and are decades behind in expansion. You can’t build Manhattan on the infrastructure of Modesto and expect smooth commutes with little traffic or pollution.

  47.  

    Mike Sicard

    They could require a $5 million fee to move into or stay in the city. That would solve most of the problems
    Of course, homeless would be exempt.

  48.  

    Mike Sicard

    Have you been in the Mission in the past two months?

  49.  

    Mike Sicard

    Why doesn’t SF JUST GET IT OVER AND WITH? BAN ALL MOTOR VEHICLES AND TURN ALL ROADS INTO PARKS WITH PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE PATHS. WHO NEEDS BUSES AND subways? Everyone can telecommute.

  50.  

    Dave Moore

    It’s interesting that you would use the argument that Prop 13 was done to save seniors from rising tax bills. I believe that is identical to the one constructed to support rent control. For both they took a real problem and used a blunt instrument to attempt to solve it rather than finding a way to do it in a targeted way. I can only assume you support one (Prop 13) because it personally benefits you and not the other (Rent control) because it personally disadvantages you.

    I never said that CA simply replaced the revenues. I said it shifted sources and that changes happened along the way. All indications are that schools took a big hit. The primary beneficiary of income tax is the state while property taxes go to the localities responsible for schools. Prop 13 severely limited their ability to levy taxes even if their residents wanted them.

    “Finally, the voters are smarter than you give them credit for, and would see right through a “free” grand, knowing of course that it would be far from “free””

    I think I just swallowed my gum. You’re either joking or deluded.