Comments for Streetsblog San Francisco http://sf.streetsblog.org Covering San Francisco's livable streets movement Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by JimBeam http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548367 JimBeam Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:15:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548367 In NYC, they would do this using a "pilot" process with paint, planters, tables and chairs and have the whole 5 blocks done at once for far less cost and less disruption to merchants and visitors.  It could be ready in a few months, in time for AC events in 2012.  The permanent construction, if ever built, would benefit from what was learned during the pilot.   In Union Square NYC, the plans were unveiled on April 27, 2010 with completed installation Sep 16 of the same year. http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/04/27/dot-unveils-union-square-upgrades-to-manhattan-cb-5/ http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/09/16/eyes-on-the-street-union-square-chairs-slow-speed-zones-ps-36s-batcave/ It is about time we had a large scale piloted street intervention here in SF. In NYC, they would do this using a “pilot” process with paint, planters, tables and chairs and have the whole 5 blocks done at once for far less cost and less disruption to merchants and visitors.  It could be ready in a few months, in time for AC events in 2012.  The permanent construction, if ever built, would benefit from what was learned during the pilot.  

In Union Square NYC, the plans were unveiled on April 27, 2010 with completed installation Sep 16 of the same year.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/04/27/dot-unveils-union-square-upgrades-to-manhattan-cb-5/

http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/09/16/eyes-on-the-street-union-square-chairs-slow-speed-zones-ps-36s-batcave/

It is about time we had a large scale piloted street intervention here in SF.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by mikesonn http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548366 mikesonn Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:48:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548366 #occupyJeffersonSt #occupyJeffersonSt

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by Jass http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548365 Jass Tue, 07 Feb 2012 08:44:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548365 @c85acb5e016ebe79fb387718619cf335:disqus  from what I understand the finer details of jaywalking are lost on most. You are correct that a literal interpretation means the stop sign is not a traffic control signal, so you can cross anywhere. But not all cops know that, and not all judges agree. And the area is for tourists. Tourists dont know how strict local jaywalking laws are, or what they entail. Cops in LA are known for ticketing pedestrians for committing the heinous crime of beginning to cross while the red hand is flashing (regardless of how much time is left when they finish) @c85acb5e016ebe79fb387718619cf335:disqus  from what I understand the finer details of jaywalking are lost on most. You are correct that a literal interpretation means the stop sign is not a traffic control signal, so you can cross anywhere. But not all cops know that, and not all judges agree.

And the area is for tourists. Tourists dont know how strict local jaywalking laws are, or what they entail. Cops in LA are known for ticketing pedestrians for committing the heinous crime of beginning to cross while the red hand is flashing (regardless of how much time is left when they finish)

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by TL http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548364 TL Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:13:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548364 I like this proposal still, but, I have a feeling Ed Lee already "found out" (i.e. nixed) the original proposal. I like this proposal still, but, I have a feeling Ed Lee already “found out” (i.e. nixed) the original proposal.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by TL http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548363 TL Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:12:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548363 ...though one important caveat is that pedestrians will not have right-of-way if they cross midblock here, as they would under the original proposal. Still, 22 feet isn't that far to cross, and this should be pretty nice. Compare this to 24th Street in Noe Valley, which is probably ~36 feet from curb to curb -- much narrower. …though one important caveat is that pedestrians will not have right-of-way if they cross midblock here, as they would under the original proposal. Still, 22 feet isn’t that far to cross, and this should be pretty nice. Compare this to 24th Street in Noe Valley, which is probably ~36 feet from curb to curb — much narrower.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by TL http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548362 TL Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:10:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548362 Pedestrians can cross at any point as long as they're not between two signalized intersections. Since Jefferson is controlled by stop signs along this stretch, it should be legal to cross anywhere, unless the city passes a law specifying otherwise. Pedestrians can cross at any point as long as they’re not between two signalized intersections. Since Jefferson is controlled by stop signs along this stretch, it should be legal to cross anywhere, unless the city passes a law specifying otherwise.

]]> Comment on JFK Drive Bikeway Street Plans Released. Construction Coming Next Week? by J http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/03/jfk-drive-bikeway-street-plans-released-construction-coming-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-548361 J Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:20:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278398#comment-548361 On a small but important note, I must say that SF needs to start striping bike lanes through intersections. This is standard practice in NYC, Chicago, Montreal, and nearly all major European cities, increasing bike visibility at intersections and reducing hook collisions. Why hasn't SF adopted this practice yet? On a small but important note, I must say that SF needs to start striping bike lanes through intersections. This is standard practice in NYC, Chicago, Montreal, and nearly all major European cities, increasing bike visibility at intersections and reducing hook collisions. Why hasn’t SF adopted this practice yet?

]]> Comment on JFK Drive Bikeway Street Plans Released. Construction Coming Next Week? by J http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/03/jfk-drive-bikeway-street-plans-released-construction-coming-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-548360 J Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:17:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278398#comment-548360 Merges like this are standard practice in NYC now. While they aren't perfect, they seem to work ok, especially if there is a decent volume of bikes. Signal protected intersections are nice, but they cause tons of delay for both cyclists and motorists making turns, and thus have low levels of compliance (anecdotally speaking). Merges like this are standard practice in NYC now. While they aren’t perfect, they seem to work ok, especially if there is a decent volume of bikes. Signal protected intersections are nice, but they cause tons of delay for both cyclists and motorists making turns, and thus have low levels of compliance (anecdotally speaking).

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by marcos http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548359 marcos Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:22:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548359 @google-c1054b713ae4d63cc3ebaf620c20fb35:disqus when making a mega event successful for billionaires, the interest of the 1% trumps the interests of mere mortal 99% of San Franciscans.  All sorts of experiments that have been on hold for years are slated to be tried out, such as the 47L precursor to the 49L even though the 47 is a diesel line and the 49L is supposed to be an electric trolley coach. @google-c1054b713ae4d63cc3ebaf620c20fb35:disqus when making a mega event successful for billionaires, the interest of the 1% trumps the interests of mere mortal 99% of San Franciscans.  All sorts of experiments that have been on hold for years are slated to be tried out, such as the 47L precursor to the 49L even though the 47 is a diesel line and the 49L is supposed to be an electric trolley coach.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by mikesonn http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548358 mikesonn Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:17:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548358 This stretch of road is west of the F-line (and future E-line) turn around. However, redoing this stretch without the addition of tracks negates the possible Ft Mason extension. This stretch of road is west of the F-line (and future E-line) turn around. However, redoing this stretch without the addition of tracks negates the possible Ft Mason extension.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by Davistrain http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548357 Davistrain Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:47:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548357 As a long-time advocate of building more electric railways (in SF and everywhere else) I would hope that when the street is rebuilt for this project, the design includes removable sections to allow installation of tracks at a (not too much) later date. As a long-time advocate of building more electric railways (in SF and everywhere else) I would hope that when the street is rebuilt for this project, the design includes removable sections to allow installation of tracks at a (not too much) later date.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by Jass http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548356 Jass Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:34:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548356 " Work on those blocks doesn’t include the rail tracks and overhead wires for the F-Line streetcars, making it “the easiest, quickest way to get the project in the ground and demonstrate the plan to the community,” Hrushowy told the Chronicle." So the e-line is dead...? Or do they really plan on rebuilding the street in 2013, and then ripping it up later to install the streetcar? Also, one major difference between a shared street and the proposed street is how pedestrians can cross. As long as pedestrians can cross at any point, at any time, then the new concept is fine.  ” Work on those blocks doesn’t include the rail tracks and overhead wires
for the F-Line streetcars, making it “the easiest, quickest way to get
the project in the ground and demonstrate the plan to the community,”
Hrushowy told the Chronicle.”

So the e-line is dead…? Or do they really plan on rebuilding the street in 2013, and then ripping it up later to install the streetcar?

Also, one major difference between a shared street and the proposed street is how pedestrians can cross. As long as pedestrians can cross at any point, at any time, then the new concept is fine. 

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by Anonymous http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548355 Anonymous Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:30:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548355 This would be amazing. I can think of things to complain about, but honestly, if we actually built a street like this, SF would be making huge progress in taking our city back from cars. This would be amazing. I can think of things to complain about, but honestly, if we actually built a street like this, SF would be making huge progress in taking our city back from cars.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by Anonymous http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548354 Anonymous Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:37:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548354 Delivery truck, fire truck, disabled access, blah blah blah. I think this is great compromise. All those truck got their access and the plan can get through without too much problem. And if the street is filled with people like in the rendering, it will completely turn off to drivers who are trying to drive through. The golden gate park concourse should have been done this way. Remove the curb, let people walk on it and make it a real pedestrian heaven and let cars be there if it is really necessary. Delivery truck, fire truck, disabled access, blah blah blah. I think this is great compromise. All those truck got their access and the plan can get through without too much problem. And if the street is filled with people like in the rendering, it will completely turn off to drivers who are trying to drive through.

The golden gate park concourse should have been done this way. Remove the curb, let people walk on it and make it a real pedestrian heaven and let cars be there if it is really necessary.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by ubringliten http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548353 ubringliten Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:27:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548353 Although I am happy about any street improvement, I don't know why streets that are filled with pedestrians like these need to have car traffic?  They need to close off these streets and only allowed pedestrians and cyclists only.  It doesn't make any sense for cars to go through.  What's the point? Although I am happy about any street improvement, I don’t know why streets that are filled with pedestrians like these need to have car traffic?  They need to close off these streets and only allowed pedestrians and cyclists only.  It doesn’t make any sense for cars to go through.  What’s the point?

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by mikesonn http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548352 mikesonn Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:40:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548352 Jefferson from Hyde to Jones is SFPark metered. Wonder what will happen to those if this happens. Jefferson from Hyde to Jones is SFPark metered. Wonder what will happen to those if this happens.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by Sean Rea http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548351 Sean Rea Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:32:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548351 "The wider sidewalk will mean a narrower roadway, with no street parking and traffic limited to two 11-foot-wide lanes" No way this project gets through then, right? “The wider sidewalk will mean a narrower roadway, with no street parking and traffic limited to two 11-foot-wide lanes”

No way this project gets through then, right?

]]> Comment on Today’s Headlines by throgers http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/todays-headlines-737/comment-page-1/#comment-548350 throgers Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:15:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278425#comment-548350 Good find, @jd_x:disqus. Would also like to see Streetsblog get more info, if possible. I would note that Bryant and York is one block, so it's at least not a huge stretch- still prefer to keep the original design, though. Good find, @jd_x:disqus. Would also like to see Streetsblog get more info, if possible. I would note that Bryant and York is one block, so it’s at least not a huge stretch- still prefer to keep the original design, though.

]]> Comment on City to Expedite Two Blocks of Fisherman’s Wharf Redesign for Summer 2013 by mikesonn http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/city-to-expedite-two-blocks-of-fishermans-wharf-redesign-for-summer-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-548349 mikesonn Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:15:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278486#comment-548349 "Work on those blocks doesn’t involve work on the rail tracks and overhead wires for the F-Line streetcars" Though it should include the extension of the F-line to Ft Mason, but all thanks be to Alioto-Pier for being a stick in the mud on that one. But I am glad to see the city pushing forward on this. I think once it's completed, the rest of Jefferson will be clamoring for their portion to be upgraded. #DontLetEdLeeFindOut “Work on those blocks doesn’t involve work on the rail tracks and overhead wires for the F-Line streetcars”
Though it should include the extension of the F-line to Ft Mason, but all thanks be to Alioto-Pier for being a stick in the mud on that one.

But I am glad to see the city pushing forward on this. I think once it’s completed, the rest of Jefferson will be clamoring for their portion to be upgraded. #DontLetEdLeeFindOut

]]> Comment on Today’s Headlines by mikesonn http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/02/06/todays-headlines-737/comment-page-1/#comment-548348 mikesonn Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:09:00 +0000 http://sf.streetsblog.org/?p=278425#comment-548348 RE: "SF’s Parking Meter Costs Among the Highest" Or... "Rest of Nation’s Parking Meter Costs Extremely Under-Priced" RE: “SF’s Parking Meter Costs Among the Highest”

Or…

“Rest of Nation’s Parking Meter Costs Extremely Under-Priced”

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