SPUR Director: Muni Drivers Deserve Good Pay, But Work Rules Must Change

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With Muni riders looking for somewhere to direct their frustration at potential service cuts and fare increases, and with the Mayor eager to frame the MTA’s budget deficit as a choice between labor concessions and fare hikes, it’s easy to view a proposed charter amendment that would change how Muni driver salaries are set as a shot at transit operators.

But SPUR Executive Director Gabriel Metcalf, who’s drafting the amendment along with Supervisor Sean Elsbernd, said the point isn’t to scapegoat drivers, but to fix some of Muni’s most persistent service problems, like the high rate of absenteeism that leads to frequent missed runs.

Operators, said Metcalf, have a hard job and deserve to be fairly compensated. For many drivers, the job is a hard-earned but solid path to the middle class. But by setting transit operator salaries automatically at the second-highest rate in the country, MTA management has removed any incentive for operators to allow revisions to work rules that hobble Muni performance, said Metcalf. A November ballot measure would revise the City Charter so salaries and benefits are set entirely through collective bargaining.

"We want to write a squeaky-clean good-government charter provision that does not go after any specific work rules, but rather sets up conditions for fair collective bargaining," Metcalf said. "It puts a lot of sunshine around it. Voters get to understand what is being negotiated. The hope is that, over time, labor and management can work out a better way to run Muni."

Metcalf insisted that the measure is not intended to be punitive against drivers.
"Being a driver is a really hard job," he said. "In the end, what we’ve got to get to is a culture where people are happy to go to work and people feel taken care of and work hard and they get paid well for working hard."

"It is basically the same system virtually every other union and city government has," he added. "There is no way anyone in good faith can say that is anti-labor."

So far, said Metcalf, SPUR and Elsbernd are the only parties working on the measure, but that may soon change. Plenty of transit advocates support setting Muni operator salaries entirely through collective bargaining — in part to improve work rules that lead to high absenteeism rates and missed runs — though publicly supporting a measure doggedly opposed by the operators union is a tough choice for some. The Board of Supervisors Rules Committee, aside from Elsbernd, also gave the measure a chilly response.

What’s more, Transport Workers Union Local 250-A, which represents Muni operators, is getting much of the heat for the current budget mess, after members rejected a concessions package that would have saved the MTA $15 million over two years. Metcalf said that, though operator concessions would help with this year’s $16.9 million budget shortfall and the cumulative $100 million projected shortfall for the next two years, he doesn’t propose that operator salaries alone should be targeted as a solution.

Much of the MTA’s budget deficit is due to the state’s pillaging of $179 million in transit assistance funds over the past three years, so rising driver salaries alone did not plunge the agency into its current state. A new Muni rider coalition is also striving to stop the portrayal of drivers as the problem. In balancing the current budget, Metcalf agrees, and points out that SPUR is working on an "alternative budget" to the one MTA staff is presenting that would look hard at other solutions.

"These two issues should be totally separated," he said. "We’ve got to balance this year’s budget, we’ve got to balance next year’s budget, and we’ve got to come up with a structure that’s going to work in the long run."

The measure’s language will likely be finalized within the next few weeks. Once it’s ready, its supporters will be collecting signatures to try to get it on the November ballot.

Update: At least one local transit advocacy organization is publicly on-board
with the proposal. That’s Rescue Muni, which helped write the
charter provision creating the MTA in 1999. "We support it," wrote
Rescue Muni’s Andrew Sullivan in an email. "As part of Prop. A in 2007,
we were promised that the union would bargain work rules for the
additional pay required by the new formula. This has not happened, so
the only alternative is to do away with the formula and require Muni
operators to collectively bargain like all other city workers."

  • andrew

    Which “advocates” are you talking about? Advise asking around a little more.

  • patrick

    If the operator’s union is “getting much of the heat for the current budget mess” all they need to do is agree to the concessions and then they can say they’ve done their part to help Muni & the riders, and let the heat go back to the MTA & politicians.

  • Jared

    Good point Patrick – then you’ll be on this blog 24 months from now when the system is still in shambles saying “all they need to do is agree to MORE concessions and then they can say they’ve done their part to help Muni & the riders, and let the heat go back to the MTA & politicians.” And the cycle of blaming working people for problems they didn’t create goes on and on, while millionaires like Newsom laugh themselves to sleep at night knowing all the poor middle class fools are fighting the fight for them on places SF Streets blog.

  • Thanks for this article. It’s important to keep the union/driver portion of this problem in perspective. I know its not fashionable to support government workers or unions in this day and age, but the amount of anger and vitriol being slung against the TWU and bus drivers is entirely disproportionate to their role in this problem.

    Work rules need to be changed, but its a small piece of the puzzle and blame for those work rules falls just as squarely on management as it does on the unions. And it certainly shouldn’t fall on muni bus drivers who have what must be one of the most difficult and stressful jobs in the city.

  • Jonathan

    People are getting laid off left and right.
    Unemployment is at 10% in San Francisco.

    Why should MUNI workers enjoy benefits that 95% of the population doesn’t?

    This is the time to reform the whole MUNI pay system. I’m sorry, but you just can’t have a right to a $100,000/yr job PLUS lifetime pension for just driving a bus. Talk to the drivers of private buses and you’ll see that MUNI drivers are EXTREMELY overpaid and arrogant.

    I also don’t like this “path to middle class” argument. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S ROLE TO SET UP A “PATH TO MIDDLE CLASS” FOR A SEGMENT OF SOCIETY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE SOCIETY!

    I work in a restaurant. I get more abuse than almost any MUNI driver out there. I work longer and harder than any MUNI driver out there; and yet I make close to minimum wage. WHERE’S MY PATH TO MIDDLE CLASS, you fuckers??

  • “yet I make close to minimum wage. WHERE’S MY PATH TO MIDDLE CLASS, you fuckers??”

    In other words,

    “I get treated like crap so everybody else should also get treated like crap.”

    And the race to the bottom continues. . .

  • Well, you are too angry to be a bus driver. If your restaurant is in the city, then you get Healthy SF. Where is your anger about the people who just want a plate of ravioli providing you with health care?

    I’m pissed as hell that Nat Ford is getting $300k, where is MY $300k??

  • bs

    Clearly the bus drivers are NOT responsible for most of Muni’s problems. And Nat Ford’s salary needs to be reduced by 50% or so, along with other management salaries. However, can someone explain why is it that he driver salaries should automatically be set at the second-highest rate in the country, when other city employees don’t enjoy this guarantee? There is no good reason that I can see that muni drivers need this special treatment that city firefighters, nurses, police, etc. don’t get but perhaps I’m missing something?

    Even without this clause in the city charter, of course, the drivers can certainly still (potentially) negotiate second-highest (or THE highest for that matter) salary through collective bargaining…and so be it…but that’s a different issue.

  • Andy Chow

    The reality is that the attitude of the union has got to change, and that change isn’t to happen without significant pressure. The issue isn’t just about pay, but more about employee performance. Absenteeism, bad employees, etc cause more harm to Muni and its union more so than the pay.

  • patrick

    Hey Jared, why should a muni driver be able to qualify for overtime by calling in sick? Why should part time drivers be disallowed? (and don’t give the argument that they will make all drivers part time, rules can and should be in place to have at least 70% or some other appropriate percentage of drivers be full time).

    Why should they pay nothing into their pension?

    Why should muni operators be allowed to have a nearly 20% absentee rate?

    Clearly operators are not responsible for all of muni’s problems, but as I said they are responsible for part of the problem by being unwilling to make concessions.

    Many Muni riders are also poor and middle class, why should they bear all the burden with fare increases and service reductions?

    I’m not particularly concerned about the salary for operators, I’m concerned about the work rules that make Muni worse than it should be.

  • Jonathan

    @mikesonn : Clearly you failed Logic 101. If you had 2 neurons knocking around in that skull, you’d know that your strawman argument is bogus. Obviously, you’re a MUNI troll getting fat at the taxpayer’s trough.

    How would you like it if every restaurant in this City had the policy that their prices would be equal to the 2nd highest prices anywhere in the country? And if every grocery store had the policy that their prices would also be the 2nd highest? And so on. What would you do then?

    Do you see how ridiculous this sounds? But don’t bother trying to answer; evolution passed you by a long time ago.

  • Jonathan, if you read this site with any regularity you’d understand I have quite a grasp on reality and luckily pretty well educated. I also enjoy the occasional show of sarcasm and irony.

    I’m not going to appologize to you for being employed, because it really is all luck of the draw sometimes.

    But your argument about restaurants and grocery stores makes no sense. MUNI fares aren’t set as the 2nd highest in the country. I fail to see the logic.

    And was I wrong about you getting Healthy SF? Or is that only for servers? Plus, minimum wage is SF is much higher then other cities in the bay area. Are you also against this?

  • Jonathan, if you want people to take you and your arguments seriously then I suggest toning down the rhetoric.

    It’s especially foolish to call people trolls or plants when they have been active members of this website for quite some time.

    Ultimately, everybody here wants to fix MUNI. Best to focus on that.

    The laser-like focus on the unions is disturbing. Why not include work-rule reform (something most folk agree on but that doesn’t fix our major problems) as part of a substantive effort to fix MUNI? It would be more productive to discuss this in consort with parking meters, managements salaries, work orders, poorly conceived capital projects, the absence of city hall leadership, the servile nature (Oka excepted) of the MTA board, and other issues.

  • Jonathan

    @mikesonn : you can split hairs, but where do you think the money for the “2nd highest salary in the nation” comes from? Taxpayers; and the people who can’t even afford a car in this city, who just saw their monthly fares jump by 33%.

    Why shouldn’t the MUNI salaries be determined by the market? If the rest of us pay what the market can bear, why shouldn’t they?

    Secondly: please compare the salaries of MUNI employees (not just drivers, but everyone) to those of SF teachers. Why shouldn’t SF teachers get the 2nd highest in the nation? While the teachers are getting laid off, and many spend money out of their own pockets to buy school supplies, the MUNI employees are busy getting fat at the taxpayers’ trough.

    I have nothing against MUNI employees making any amount of money, *PROVIDED* there are market forces at play. Unfortunately, that is NOT the case. MUNI is a monopoly which is accountable to nobody. You don’t see me railing against the salaries of Safeway executives or Levi’s people!

  • Gabriela

    No matter what the final verdict is going to be, the bus drivers aren’t the ones to be blamed. I know many of them are arrogant but don’t put all of them in the same bag. Public needs to stop taking their frustration on muni drivers, bottom line. Just because they are the second highest paid in the country doesn’t mean they don’t deserve it. They put up with a lot of crap. I totally agree that some work rules need to be changed but I don’t think they chould change their salary. FYI, just because some ass…. posts an article about their overtime pay, doesn’t mean it’s accurate. Unless you have a proof showing that they are making 100k+ a year, don’t believe it. And as far as contribution to their pention, it isn’t a one time deal but more like every two weeks, talking about $400 a month. If you were in their position would you like that kind of proposal? I don’t think so. All they want is to make sure that these changes are temporarly but with Newsom as major, nobody can promise it.

  • Jeffrey W. Baker

    People focus their anger on the drivers because it is impossible to reform Muni without fixing the work rules. It is right to be angry that operators skip every sixth shift, and go AWOL on the fourth day of every three-day weekend. Riders and tax payers have a right to expect the operators to show up and work for their pay.

  • “And as far as contribution to their pention, it isn’t a one time deal but more like every two weeks, talking about $400 a month. If you were in their position would you like that kind of proposal?”

    Mostly a rhetorical question because most of us are not in their position, and our funding our own retirements. Given that, the pension really needs to be counted in total compensation. $60k a year isn’t much – unless you don’t have to save for your retirement.

    No blanket statement can be made regarding the drivers salary without some analysis that none of us really has. It is entirely possible for the drivers to be overpaid, and it’s possible that they are underpaid. I won’t say they don’t deserve to be the 2nd highest paid – but I won’t say they will. None of us really has that info.

    What I do know, is that the various AWOL rules are BS. Period. Anyone who defends that weakens their position regarding the salary and pension.

  • Jeanene

    “one of the most difficult and stressful jobs in the city”. really?

    what does a bus driver do:
    he drives a bus, what special education do you need for that: you need to know how to drive. what a rare and special gift it is that only almost every American over the age of 16 can do it.

    so it must be the stopping at bus stops that are clearly labeled and on a schedule that must be the “difficult” part. I mean only millions of people in cars every day are able to the “difficult” task of stopping at stop signs, a skill that your average muni driver hasn’t master yet.

    I suppose since they have no education, no work ethic and no skills that yes not being able to drive a bus without getting in an accident must be very “stressful and difficult” that must be why there are so many fat, lazy bus drivers now on disability for their injuries from sitting on their butts doing nothing.

  • Thank you for that insightful addition to the comments section Jeanene.

    Actually, most drivers have no clue what they are doing behind the wheel, so that comparison is pretty far off. And to say it isn’t stressful is to say that any driving in the city isn’t stressful. I’m sure when you drive you get agitated, nervous – now imagine that feeling while driving a 60′ bus with people yelling at you and cars/people/bikes jumping out in front of you constantly and making sure you check transfers/passes and give directions to lost tourists.

    But if all you read is the Chronicle and the Examiner, I’m sure I can see where your opinion would come from. To be honest, I don’t think your comment really deserved a response. Don’t get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think you should take a deep breath and form some coherent thoughts next time.

  • @Jeanene

    The truly difficult part of a muni driver’s job isn’t the “driving a bus” part (though driving a gigantic bus through San Francisco traffic isn’t exactly a piece of cake). It’s dealing with irate and very often insane patrons while one is piloting a gigantic bus through down narrow streets. I’d venture to guess that not very many people have the patience and fortitude to deal with that. I know that I sure as hell would never drive a muni bus for a living.

    “no education, no work ethic and no skills”
    This is offensive crap at best. There are some lousy muni drivers but there are also quite a few who I’ve seen save stranded tourists, help out the disabled, and diffuse tense situations on their busses. I’ve found that most of the people who *really* hate on drivers are just angry jerks who rarely ride public transit and simply enjoy feeling superior to “dirty government workers.”

    “only millions of people in cars every day are able to the “difficult” task of stopping at stop signs, a skill that your average muni driver hasn’t master yet.”

    Very few car drivers actually stop at stop signs.

    All this baseless hatred being directed towards drivers is really depressing. I sure as hell don’t want to be part of any ‘movement’ that scapegoats people who, for the most part, are just trying to do their job.

  • @John, you are right. And really it all comes down to the fact none of this is on the bargaining table. What is the point of an union if there is no bargaining? If I were paying union dues to a union that had nothing to do, I’d be irate.

    The work rules are draconian. Yes, as a worker commented on here a couple days ago, you have to be pretty much in top condition to operate, but that doesn’t excuse being able to skip work without calling in. You have to be able to plan a schedule to most effectively run a system based on attendance. This is common sense. The fact that so many people have to write and say it in itself an insult.

    If these cuts stand, the TWU has a major PR job on their hands because regardless of if they are being scapegoated or not, the media, Newsom, Supes are all going to run them over the coals and back again as many times as possible.

  • Dewayne

    “what does a bus driver do:
    he drives a bus, what special education do you need for that: you need to know how to drive. what a rare and special gift it is that only almost every American over the age of 16 can do it.”

    I’m sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with that quote and your entire post Jeanene. You’re equating driving a bus in THIS city as the same thing as anyone else who has a drivers license and drives a car? I have friends who live in the east bay and refuse to drive to S.F. because they don’t want to deal with the narrow streets, steep hills, bold pedestrians or crazy bicyclists. So imagine trying to navigate a bus or trolley through all that and sticking to an often unrealistic schedule. Not to mention getting crap from the thugs of Hunters Point, the drunks from the Tenderlion, the bums in the Haight, and the plenty of other people from every walk of life who will take out their frustration on the driver when they’re inconvenienced in any type of way.

    Having been born and raised in S.F. and spent thousands of hours riding muni, I’ve seen plenty of drivers who were rude, crude, and just shouldn’t be dealing with the public at all. So they are definitely drivers out there who need to weeded out and they as a whole should have their work rules adjusted. The system as a whole needs fixing. In no way though would I belittle want they have to deal with as you have.

  • patrick

    I feel the drivers do have a difficult job, but the difficulty is dealing with certain passengers. I’ve seen a passenger threaten to kill a driver because the driver refused to let them ride for free. I’ve seen many other incidents of anger directed at drivers. I certainly wouldn’t want to deal with that.

    The problem that I have with the union is the work rules that reward the workers that abuse the system and punishes the reliable workers. That is totally unacceptable.

  • Andy Chow

    Bus drivers need to go through about 2 months of training before actually driving on a actual route. Bus drivers need get a commercial license and a clean driving record. Even those who drive big rigs don’t necessarily get hired as bus drivers.

    Driving a bus in SF shouldn’t be that different than other big cities. Golden Gate Transit and SamTrans also run large buses in SF. There are also many tour buses and Google/UCSF/Academy of Arts shuttles. Muni’s problem is the poor institutional culture tolerated by its union and management. It is not just all about the employees, but also riders too, like those who board through the back door. AC Transit buses serve some of the worst neighborhoods in the Bay Area, but you don’t see the same rate of absenteeism and fare evasion like Muni.

  • patrick

    That’s a great point about fare evasion, if the cops actually rode muni instead of just charging for services not rendered they could do stings on rear boarders and fare evaders. It would be quite easy, driver asks anybody who doesn’t pay to pay, if they don’t an undercover cop tickets them. Same goes for rear door entry.

    It’s also been shown that cracking down on fare evaders also nets arrests for people with outstanding warrants.

  • Rona

    I commented on this – what’s going on?

  • Jared

    Wow there SFResident – were you serious when you wrote this?:
    “The laser-like focus on the unions is disturbing. Why not include work-rule reform (something most folk agree on but that doesn’t fix our major problems) as part of a substantive effort to fix MUNI? It would be more productive to discuss this in consort with parking meters, managements salaries, work orders, poorly conceived capital projects, the absence of city hall leadership, the servile nature (Oka excepted) of the MTA board, and other issues.”

    Streetsblog is not a place to discuss “productive” measures or “reforms” to fix MUNI like work-rule changes that are not tied to salary changes and or vindictive retribution against workers. This is a place to voice your displeasure with how MUNI operators are stealing your tax dollars and how unions are destroying SF and this country. Don’t you get it – if unions didn’t exist SF would be a better place and we’d all be living the good life. Meters? Manangement salaries? Capital projects? I’m afraid my friend these things would affect a different strata of society and it would be irrational to try and change them (I’m sure if management thought it necessary to take a paycut they’d certainly do it). The MTA board? Come on, they’re democratically elected, wait…I mean appointed by the mayor, which is close enough to democracy to me and the rest of the folks here on the blog. Let’s focus on what we know and what we can do here: there’s a “crisis” (not sure why) which means there’s no money (says someone) and the MUNI workers have bloated salaries – so we should crush them. Problem solved.

    Just to throw it out there: what would be an appropriate slot for their salary average in the nation? 27th? 43rd? I’m going with 38th. Let me know what you think.

  • E.J. Royal

    Hay I worked for Samtrans and i drive a bus. It is not and eazy job Jeanene” Like you can say here that how hard it is driving a bus. let me tell you something. this is my 2nd job. do you know what my main job is. i’m a Alameda county sheriff detpy and driving the bus is more stress than being a cop at times. you should not comment on things you know noting about. muni drivers earn every dollar. unless you drive a bus for the city or county you should not talked. its not the drivers its the mamagment. they control a buget every year. they get big bouns. you the people voted these people in there office’s but don’t look down on people because they drive a bus, or if they worked at Micky-Dee’s a job is a Job now days so check your self Jeanene

  • Mark

    It’s not so much the pay that’s the problem. $30/hr is not outrageous. It’s these things:

    – the fact they can’t hire part-time drivers for peak periods, so you have to pay people to sit around.
    – absenteeism with no consequences
    – Being absent for no good reason one day, and then making it up on another day which you get overtime for.

    These have to stop.

  • those dudes

    what does gabe metcalf get paid to be a shill for downtown developers?

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Do any of you ppl have the rule book on hand?
    Do any of you know what actually happens if a driver doesn’t show up to their shift w/out notifying dispatch? Do any of you know how(earned) sick/vacation time hours are accurred? Is it a crime now to get sick? Do any of you know the suspension rate at any division? Do any of you know the rate of Hypertension amongst drivers after being hired? Do any of you know the racism envolved in this blame-game?
    If muni’s crowd capacity is 700,000 per day $29 is low-include cost of living it’s extremely low

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Here’s the answers y’all been missing!!
    If you don’t call dispatch 45min-1hr. B4 your shift=AWOL=1to2DAY SUSPENSION PERIOD!!
    DRIVERS LOSE $220 EA.SUSPENDED DAY
    if your 11min OR MORE LATE=MISSOUT or WORKING MISSOUT=POSSIBLE 1DAY SUSPENSION or a WRITTEN WARNING BUT 2ND or 3RS MISSOUT= SUSPENSION(depends on importance of run&line&dispatcher on 1sr offense)SERVICE IS AFFECTED 1ST BY DEFECTIVE EQUIPMENT(BROKEN/PATCHED UP BUSES)UNFILLED WORKFORCE TOTALS(required 1,872){NEVER EVER FILLED)UNREALISTIC SCHEDULING/LAYOVER TIME-then absenteeism!!! WORKING CONDITIONS NEED FIXING 1ST(it’s imperative)
    MUNI MANAGEMENT IS CONSISTENT W/SUSPENDING OPERATORS DAILY EVEN IF UNFOUNDED-PERIOD!! insuficient service is not due to absenteeism(IF YOUR SICK YOUR SICK)b4 you good folks get bamboozled into voting on PropG-know the truth-ask a driver not the examiner or sf wkly or even your dstr7/8 supes…they lie like politicians do… to fool the masses!! ********Ask a driver what’s going on…furthermore,it’s easy to blame bus drivers for policies they never created(nor negotiated) cause your bus was late(schedules are unreal/Dbl parked delivery trucks/bike racks/seniors/drunks/fare evaders,etc….)…and to all of you who say some drivers are obnoxious or need social classes-your right but who’s gonna pay for that? & drive a bus(14mission for example) for 1day&all these bloggers will accuse you of the same bias bs-Muni drivers deserve & work for every penny they earn…remember labor vs. riders is what big business wants but ASK ABOUT THEIR TDIF@($5sq.ft.) THATS A MAIN SOURCE OF FUNDING THEY REFUSE TO RAISE SINCE THE ’80’s-WHY?
    ps. FYI the signature gathering was actually PAID PETITIONERS NOT VOLUNTEERS($2.25+)DAILY NEGATIVE PRESS WHILE GATHERING SIGZ& ALL THE FUNDING CAME FROM VARIOUS GROUPS LIKE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,WILLIAM-SONOMA,BIG CORPORATIONS,ETC….
    *******TDIF=transit development impact fees*******

  • Angry Tax Guy

    TO CLEAR YOUR MISINFORMED THOUGHTS OF WHY THE LOCAL250-A MEMBERS(bus drivers who actually drive not union execs)REJECTED THE PROPOSED CONCESSIONS IS SIMPLE:our union representatives handed out a 1page newsletter w/3options of givebacks-REMEMBER 1PAGE
    2wks prior to passing out that scam deal the mayor and the paper reported “drivers are on board”-referring to the collusion deal between Gav&Union execs…we as drivers were not told or even properly informed of this breach…REMEMBER THAT 1PAGE CONCESSION LETTER GIVEN TO DRIVERS-WELL THERE WERE 132+PAGES UNATTATCHED TO THAT VIOLATING THE DRIVERS MOU/CONTRACT WHICH ENDS JUNE2011…you folks also should know takeaways called concessions are continuous through run cuts like on May8($4.8million$..the executive union also gave $1.5million back in Dec-that missed the papers as well…deficits are caused by money laundering , misallocation of funding projects , pickpocketing funds from the transportation budget to fund other ventures like vacations , conventions , MISTAKES LIKE RETRACKING RAIL-STRIPS NEAR ST.FRANCIS/T-LINE PLATFORM LEVELING…try getting some of those expeditures back through operator blame call REFORM-go figure-also they need drivers to pay for those $250,000pensions they will recieve down the road-drivers who earn close to $100k (?)are 10 of 2,200 & probably worked 360days including holidays screw your friends&family!!!….ask a driver most make $700a week!!! NO FAT POCKETS!!!!! AS STATED- BUT DAMN!!!! FOLKS GET JOBS TO CARE FOR THEIR FAMILIES-WHAT IS IT WITH THIS OVERPAID BS…I DONT KNOW 1DRIVER WHO MADE $100k BEFORE OR AFTER TAXES MAYBE NATE FORD@$354,614.00!!!!!!!

  • Angry Tax Guy

    And to Jeanne who said how hard is it to drive a 60′ Articulated bus through let’s say Chinatown…
    You’ll never know-you could barely park your car…racist
    my question to your ignorance is….why are you so smart but so misinformed(smart ppl are supposed to be well-informed-no)?……..is it arrogance,prejudice,racism,feeble-minded,parenting,cultural seclusion,or just being ASININE!!!!!! VOTE NO ON G
    VOTE NO ON J(eanne)

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Overtime….ahh mannn!!
    It’s required to have 40hrs b4 OT is given
    like I said the consequence of being absent is being sick aka ill aka flu -if you abuse sick leave or use all of your accurred sick &/or vacation time you will not be paid for the days missed-that’s the consequence(no pay) State employees call it bulit up “comp” time muni drivers call it paid sick time…you get 2hrs every 80hrs into your accurred sick time from 0-14yrs. Of Service& 4hrs for 15yrs of service???? I think but the absent rate is not the problem&wtf do you expect a driver to be with all those sick freakin people who ride the bus dude!! The more you miss the less you $get &if being sick(absent)is a crime so be it….the sarrs epidemic,flu,air born germs are the #1 cause of bus drivers calling in sick besides high blood pressure complications world-wide…some folks love to judge but never took the bar exam-lol

  • Angry Tax Guy

    To Andy Chow…whom states what he feels bus drivers needs are…what qualifies your recommendations of social tolerance when operating a city bus? Because your job as a critic/passenger is to sit your ass down if available and keep your mouth shut(mind your business-go to your distination)!!! The operator can have training in public disputes but who will fund such a
    program? How will that help when some racist bastard yells and spits in the drivers face or screams the n-word over and over because he or she forgot to pull the cord(chime) ? Mr.Chow keep your opinions of not knowing Jack shit of what a driver endures 9hrs a day to yourself…I can’t respect advice when it finger-points and considering you know absolutely nothing about transit stress/hypertension close your pie-whole it sounds like food poisoning not good advice!!!!!!
    ******************VOTE NO ON G*********************

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Facts….supe@dstr7/8(s.weiner) are lying straight up about whose really at fault about service insufiencies-maybe they are misinformed themselves? Their mandate comes from Downtown Big Business who’s agenda(income advances) excludes all middle income&lower income citizens(labor workers)…blame the darkest people is nothing new..look @ the Aids Epidemic(blamed africans,Adultry(tiger is the poster boy),Prisons(mostly black/Latino ),the
    Minority is usually the passé…they use sex&violence to destroy most black men-they use social-educational self-worthiness to justify this attack on wages&benefits..instead of calling those
    drivers lazy nig*#ers they say absenteeism is high…service reductions are cause of those “greedy drivers”(examiner) by the way most are African American…domestic violence has OJ as it’s poster boy but our military kills b4 it protects ask Phil Scheiders family but I’m ranting…never trust what you read unless you here both sides of the debate-have you read any rebuttal from the operators view point-I doubt -I say let’s have a Town-Meeting…Drivers Riders Politicians Students

  • Angry Tax Guy

    *********************NO ON G**************************

    ITS AN ATTACK ON WORKERS
    BLATANT BLAME-GAME
    LIES
    MISLEADING
    RACIST
    CONQUER&DIVIDE SF CITIZENS
    OBLIVIOUS
    SUPPORTED BY THE WEALTHY
    EXCLUDES FAMILIES
    ANTI-LABOR
    DANGEROUS
    **********************NO ON G*************************

  • Angry Tax Guy – your rant is exactly why G is going to pass. I know it feels very good for you to rant and rave, but you look like an idiot and that’s not going to engender any sympathy. Doesn’t matter if you are “right” if you lose.

    You aren’t doing your colleagues nor yourself any favors.

  • I have to agree with John. That rant was horrible and will only help to push more people against you and your cause.

    I’m still not sure which way I’ll vote on G, but I’m getting closer to voting for it just so we can start talking about real issues. The sooner drivers are taken out of the equation, the faster we can get to mismanagement and some real revenue sources.

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Like I said do any of you folks have a rule book or no a bus driver personally?
    All these comments are great for dialog but base Prop G on facts not lies…the supe running for dstr8 is a blatant lier…I attended a CRG meeting Aug26…he lied to everone… literally…I’m open for debate but facts are facts….none of you guys responded to any of the questions about work rule facts,working conditions,or even explained what needs fixing-YOU R TOLD WHAT NEEDS FIXING…but finger-pointing ,distortion, or late buses are realities- especially blame…hey guys I’m puzzled about what will be fixed w/a yes vote
    ………………………………NO ON G…………………….
    …………………it’s based on LIES SAN FRAN!!!!

  • Angry Tax Guy

    I don’t understand y mikesonn&john focus on my rant which we all have a right to do…but didn’t answer the questions about the debate…don’t get mad at the messenger! Focus on the facts about Prop G and it’s manipulating advocates…I think the dist8 guy running is a great guy “minus” his knowledge of what muni rules&conditions really are…like I said who has the driver rule book on this site? I’ve ridden on most if not all major transit
    buses & SF MUNi is the best…buses will be late john&mike it’s a crowded world guys!!!
    *********************NO ON G**************************

  • Angry Tax Guy

    If any1 person knows the facts about driver rules…..tell a friend…blog em here–HOWEVER,if u want2 argue about my rant… well that defeats the purpose of discussing what rules need changing or tweeked or cut for the better(I know several rules that should change whether drivers like it or not&save a little doing so) and I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE ABOUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT RACISM BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR TYPING THEM ON THIS SITE(there’s is a time&place for black/
    white issues ?) Although this muni thing has racist innuendo ask Ellen Murray …any questions
    …………………………….NO ON G………………………….

  • Angry guy – I can’t even read your comments. And I have pretty good reading comprehension.

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Johnmurphy:if u base your vote on my rant&rave you never planned on finding out facts about PropG or actual work rules….hey bud don’t need your sympathy..remember my opinions are my views in regards to my rant However, work rules&working conditions…are two different issues
    you said I’m an idiot( mr.idiot to you ) (I)-drivers will lose no matter(EVERYBODY LOSES GENIUS)…you sound ignorant,misinformed,&the reason why this city suffers during important election but y’all voted for two Bushes ..it’s not a drivers fault there’s congestion or unrealistic schedules-it’s managers and stataticians whom set these schedules that have us thinking those drivers can’t arrive on time! But no need to explain how schedules are made you don’t care about facts anyway!!! Sad

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Hey u2 dudes haven’t answered any questions about why you are for or against G???
    State fact not fiction NO RANT REBUTTAL……..

    AGAIN–DRIVERS GET AWOL(s) & SUSPENDED IF NO NOTICE IS GIVEN

    THE RAISE OF ($1 and SOME CHANGE)HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN TO DRIVERS AS OF TODAY
    AND THERE ARE NO ANNUAL RAISES

    LOCAL 250A GAVE 5 FURLOUGH DAYS WAY BEFORE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT(2005)
    THE UNION EXECUTIVE BOARD. GAVE $1.500,000 BACK TO THE CITY IN DECEMBER

    THERE HAVE BEEN SERVICE&RUN CUTS WHICH AFFECTS DRIVERS PAY FROM 2001-2010 & NEGATIVELY AFFECTS RIDERS AS WELL -ALSO DRIVERS PAY 1OF THE HIGHEST MEDICAL PREMIUMS IN THIS COUNTRY -up to $531 PER CHECK(26chks a yr.)

    WHEN THERE IS SLOW OR MISSING BUSES ON A LINE ITS DUE TO NO EQUIPMENT(broken buses)-1ST,OPERATORS ARE SENT TO A MOTOR COACH DIVISION TO PULL OUT A OLD SAMTRANS BUS(look for 2800series coaches)THAT CAN TAKE UP TO 1.5hrs to be assigned a deisel )

    ABSENTEEISM DOES NOT CAUSE UNRELIABLE SERVICE-ABSENCES ARE COVERED BY EXTRABOARD OPERATORS WHO COVER DRIVER WHO GET SICK,TAKE VACATIONS,etc…AND GETTING SICK IS NO CRIME AND IS COMMON BEING CONFINED IN A CABIN WHERE PASSENGERS,TRANSIENCE,BUMS,DRUNKS,
    DIRTY
    HOMELESS RIDE AND COUGH AND SNEEZE AKA SPREAD GERMS MINUTE AFTER MINUTE(a entire trip at times) AND AFTER YOU TWO ADVOCATES GET OFF… THE DRIVER
    INGEST THOSE HUMAN HAZARDS GO RIDE THE 14 LOCAL…NOT SAYING CERTAIN WORK RULES SHOULD REMAIN IF YHEY ARE ARCHAIC AND FISCALLY WASTEFUL BUT THATS A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN MANAGEMENT AND UNION REPS NOT BLOGGERS ON THIS SITE…

    ASK A QUESTION ABOUT RULES OR
    WORK CONDITIONS IF YOU DONT KNOW BIT LETS NOT BE REGRESSIVE OR PREJUDICIAL ABOUT THOSE MOSTLY AFRICAN AMERICAN DRIVERS YOU CALL RUDE all the damn time!!

    THE DEFICIT IS NOT A DRIVERS SALARY ISSUE AS STATED BY ELSBERND/WEINER etc..
    ITS AN ALLOCATION OF GOV’T FUNDING, REVENUE,TAX APPROPRIATION ISSUE & INSUFFIENT COLLECTIONS OF THE TDIF POLICY ,

  • Angry Tax Guy

    Lastly ..Mikesonn…”the sooner drivers are taken out of the equation”…? PropG is all about drivers and money…vote for what is morally right.. not- push-aside hardworking transit workers!!!
    And I don’t have a cause-I have a mandate of identifying and exposing liers of this bogus Proposition…these issues are misleading SF residence…and you are sort of grasping the truth when you said mismanagement & real revenue issues!! however, prop b&g are city worker attacks on our families and our financial future-that is no issue to “sweep under the rug” ..mismanagement &/or money laundering will continue regardless if we continue to fight amongst each other
    ***********************NO ON G************************
    it’s based on lies SAN FRAN

  • Angry Tax Guy

    To: Mr Metcalf,I am fully aware of how absenteeism can affect any businesses productivity.I am also aware of certain work rules with-in any city charter which can promote abuse,but that is maintained with disciplinary guidelines in the current “Mou”.
    However, you know the rate of absenteeism has no real merit or cause for this legislation(you can disguise the real problem by simply saying “high absenteeism effects service” but no one who reads that knows what the standard rate of absenteeism is throughout the countries top 10 major transit agencies.Where are for comparisons levels?.. … you said it yourself…this proposition is
    a way to blame drivers for the miscues of government ! Transportation is a business of profit first..The agenda is as you know:have the weakest union in disaray(justify union busting calling it waste),Minimize service(timely service cuts) and maximize profits(sporatic fare hikes/propG/new taxes&fees) simaltaneously writing legislation to force workers to pay higher pemiums and retiement to cover
    upper management pensions down the road-there is no real benefit for transit workers if
    salaries stay stagnit(since 2004) and contracts are rolled-over.What’s the national absent rate for transit workers w/capacities of 500,000-700,000 riders ? Reliability is based on what #? Reform what rule to ensure better service how? Reliable service requires reliable Equipment? Wheelchairs,Seniors,Fare evasion,Cyclist,Bike Racks,Traffic Congestion,Dbl.Parked Vehicles,&Improper
    Scheduling all contribute to slower route arrival
    performance{whatever on-time means)Work rules have no negative impact on Service deficiencies or Deficits… PropG is INSIDIOUS !

  • Angry Tax Guy

    March 13th, 2010

    Mark says:

    It’s not so much the pay that’s the problem. $30/hr is not outrageous. It’s these things:
    THIS IS WHAT MARK THINKS……..
    – the fact they can’t hire part-time drivers for peak periods, so you have to pay people to sit around.
    – absenteeism with no consequences
    – Being absent for no good reason one day, and then making it up on another day which you get overtime for.

    These have to stop.

    MARK MANAGEMENT CAN RE-OPEN THEDRIVERS CONTRACT ANYTIME &
    CHANGE CERTAIN GUIDELINES TO BENEFIT SERVICE..MARK.. DRIVERS DONT HAVE THE POWER TO STOP PART-TIME HIRING BUT THE CITY HAS TO HIRE P/T’s THROUGH CIVIL SERVICE RULES AND PAY BENEFITS WHICH THEY WOULD RATHER NOT..PEAK HR.SERVICE IS #1 PRIORITY..38,41,ALL AX X-EXPRESSES ARE FILLED EVERYDAY…DRIVERS WHO “SIT AROUND” ARE STAND-BY OPS WHO DRIVE 2HRS IN AM PEAK THEN 2HRS EVENING PEAK/THAT IS SOMETHING NEGOTIATED IN 80’s AS A PERK IF YOU HAD 25+YRS-STAND-BY RUNS ARE ALSO FOR CITY EMERGENCIES DURING CRISIS LIKE’89 QUAKE BUT FORD WIPED OUT THOSE RUNS AS OF SEPT4…
    YOU CANT GET OT IF YOU MISS 1DAY THEN TRY2 MAKE IT UP WORKING YOUR OFF DAY-IMPOSSIBLE YOU NEED 40HR WORK WEEK B4 OT IS GIVEN …

    NO CONSEQUENCE FOR ABSENCE…WTF ARE YOU TALKING…ALL CITY&STATE WORKERS HAVE ACCURRED SICK/VACATION TIME FIRST OF ALL.. 2NDLY..IF YOU DRAIN YOUR SICK/ VACATION HRS.YOU DONT GET PAID IF YOUR PUT IN SICK ABUSE A DR.’s NOTE IS
    MANDATORY..BEING SICK OR CALLING IN SICK FOR NO REASON-THATS A PERSONAL ISSUE-FOLKS WHO ABUSE THE SYSTEM BY USAGE OF SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCES BUT ARE NOT ACTUALLY SICK SHOULD BE FIRED BUT THAT HAPPENS AT ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES-DPT EMPLOYEES GOT AUDITED AND INVESTIGATED FOR WORKER COMP FRAUD ISSUES-THAT NEEDS TO STOP EVERYWHERE BUT PPL KNOW LOOPHOLES & HOW2 MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM…THAT’S NOT A MUNI DRIVER THING THATS JUST LAZY AMERICAN BS!!!
    the absenteeism thing you must of got info from paper or elsbernd cause that’s misleading all of you who type or word it the same lame way…I blogged that info ….chk above this stuff 411…

  • I can’t answer questions that make no sense.

    And I said I’m still not sure where I stand on G. Maybe you should spend 5 extra minutes and make sense of your mess of a posting.

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