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  1.  

    theqin

    Price definitely plays some part as its not just a on-whim kind of purchase, but they do have pretty good resale value, so I don’t think price is the primary factor. Plenty of people drop thousands of dollars on road bikes, and these aren’t generally the same kind of people riding cargo bikes.

    I mean it might be a chicken in the egg kind of problem, people don’t necessarily know or think that an alternative exists, or that this alternative actually works and is not just a fringe thing. It certainly doesn’t help that you don’t see cargo bikes in most bike stores.

    Hopefully adoption will increase if the current casual bike to work crowd has children, but I don’t see it as a fast process. Especially since biking facilities in SF can be a little iffy sometimes — like I never like biking anyone on the fell and oak part of the wiggle, even I don’t have problems with some other bike lanes on busy streets. And I know that I am definitely not the typical person, probably most people would be even more afraid to take their kid their with good reason.

  2.  

    Andy B from Jersey

    Thanks for sharing that link. I love Rick Bernardi and Bob Mionske but for once I actually think that they both misinterpreted the law by NOT considering CVC 21755 in their analysis. I also lost a little respect for the two for quickly turning to calling Paul Schimek names. It was VERY unprofessional of them to never address his point about CVC 21755. Poor form on those two, and considering CVC 21755, I think the two of them are wrong but I still could be wrong if it went to court.

    I’ve done quite a bit of research on bicycle laws to help New Jersey move forward in updating our bike laws. I do know that California’s Vehicle Code is MUCH different to that of almost all other states. As such I’ll admit that I’m no expert on California law. However I do know that other states have provision for cyclists to pass right (NJ does not) but must do so in a safe manner and at their own risk.

  3.  

    Prinzrob

    Lawyers well versed in bicycle cases would beg to differ: http://www.bicyclelaw.com/blog/index.cfm/2012/11/14/Can-a-bicyclist-pass-on-the-right

    A police officer might still blame an injured bicyclist for passing on the right, but that just exposes their own bias and has nothing to do with the letter and intent of the law.

  4.  

    SF Guest

    Without naming names to get themselves re-elected.

  5.  

    StrixNoctis .

    There are a lot of snobs here in SF these days who think they’re too good for MUNI (and bicycles), so I wouldn’t expect politicians to be any different.

    What I’m surprised at is the number of politicians who accepted the challenge to ride MUNI. Usually politicians aren’t so humble to be among us peasants.

  6.  

    Jamison Wieser

    Nothing says quality time like ignoring your children to focus on driving safely, but there are better ways to decline:

    “Commitments to the City, community, and family, have my traveling throughout the city too often, on too short of a notice to accept the challenge. And that speaks to our need for more reliable, frequent Muni service, better covering San Francisco. Muni Forward is a huge step towards…” and then follow with appropriately vague/specific ways you would support improved Muni service.

  7.  

    M.

    I’ve spoken with virtually every merchant along the project length and beyond; clearly you haven’t or you’d donned your pro-business rose-colored glasses when you did. Some are good and forward-looking, others aren’t and refuse to alter their practice with changing times. It takes no skill to rent a storefront, and lots to stay in it. There’s considerable churn amongst the businesses on Polk, an unhealthy persistent ~12%+ storefront vacancy rate, and some of the most vocal opponents to change have gone under in the past 2 years without any changes.
    If you care to defend the more vulnerable businesses on Polk you can join me in pushing the City to assist them in surviving the min. 18 months of construction that begins next year. Contact: folks@folksforpolk.org

  8.  

    M.

    I repeat: ‘Getting input is great, but trying to follow it all isn’t.’ There’s a defined core of data that we know works to keep neighborhoods vital and its citizens safe. If uninformed individuals have contrary *opinions* and cannot cite anything to support them, we have no obligation to implement them.
    I’ve been working locally for more than two years in an absurd conflict: folklore vs. facts.
    It seems that logic isn’t enough so fyi, here’s my cred:
    I was an architect with training and experience in Planning. Before that, I worked in medicine in world class academic/clinical institutions. I also conducted a global literature review on built infrastructure and how it affects every aspect of public health.

  9.  

    SFnative74

    Great idea! Or maybe he can commit to a week on transit and explain to his children that he is doing this to better understand and improve our transit system, so that it will be a much better system when they grow up. Farrell is a SF-kid so he should understand that taking Muni is part of growing up here. Hopefully he doesn’t want anything less than the best for his kids and people who live in and visit this city.

  10.  

    IHeartPandas

    @theqin:disqus Do you think that it’s because of the price point, e.g. “cargo bikes are super expensive, so you must be a die-hard bicyclist in order to fork over that much cash,” or do you think that there are other reasons why people think that cargo bikes have a perception problem? I’m coming back to SF today after spending a week in Portland, and it’s been amazing to see cargo bikes for businesses and cargo bikes with kids (and/or dogs!) in them.

  11.  

    theqin

    While I agree with you, cargo bikes and long tails have a public perception problem as being only for the truly hardcore. Most people that see me either think I am either crazy or a tourist attraction.

  12.  

    Guest

    should’ve stopped after the first sentence.

  13.  

    Dan

    not wearing a helmet means you’re at fault for an accident? Thank you helmet evangelicals…

  14.  

    IHeartPandas

    An idea for Supervisor Farrell — what about a 22 day bicycling challenge with a cargo bike rental from Vie Bikes (note: I do not work for Vie Bikes)? It would give him the freedom to come and go as he pleases, the bikes can accommodate his kids, and it would give him a chance to demonstrate some modicum of interest/commitment to more active transit options.

  15.  

    Andy B from Jersey

    Actually depending on the situation, I think the cyclists actions were illegal. States that allow cyclists to filter up on the right also say that they do so at their own risk and to take care. I’d never pass a cab on the right that stops in the middle of the road or pulled over to the side.

    If the cab stopped in a cue of traffic and there was a bike lane to the right then, I’d say the cyclists was a victim.

  16.  

    Dexter Wong

    Actually, by the 1970s Muni had Bus Stop signs at a number of stops that indicated which line(s) used this stop, but they weren’t at every bus stop. In the 1960s, there were big yellow signs along Market St. which gave in detail which lines stopped there and any weekend cutbacks, but with time they wore out. The old yellow bands and yellow curb markers were at most stops, but others had a white or yellow paint rectangle on the street that marked the stop and had “BUS (above) STOP (below)” inside the rectangle.

  17.  

    L_Mariachi

    This is the classic logo:

  18.  

    L_Mariachi

    Design is a lot more than “just aesthetics.” To a designer, unnecessary clutter and lack of clarity are just as hideous as an unattractive logo or color scheme, if not more so.

  19.  

    L_Mariachi

    They’re color-coded. The color on the Rapid/Metro/Historic designations matches the color of the line it applies to, while blue is just regular buses. You’re right though that the design could be better. It’s pretty type-intensive too; I can easily picture confused tourists peering back and forth between these signs and their maps, trying to make sense of them.

    Route designations having street names in them is daft enough in the first place— “This says 37 Corbett, but we’re on Market and Noe… Does it mean that the destination is Corbett? That Corbett is the main part of its route?” No, that’s just some street along the side of Twin Peaks that you probably don’t care about that the route happens to follow for a minute. The majority of the route has nothing to do with Corbett at all.

  20.  

    calwatch

    I would start to brand some of the buses as “SFMTA” and reserve Muni for the rail system, which seems to be general usage there (the bus is more often referred to as the bus). “Muni” should be a brand for higher quality service like rapids or rail.

  21.  

    Filamino

    How do you know they don’t need parking to run their business? Maybe they need to run errands, do deliveries, etc. to run their business. Have you ever thought of that? Probably not because you are not them. Besides, It’s a public street. They can park there if they want as long as they follow the parking rules.

    If they were poor business people, they would have been out of business by now.

  22.  

    Filamino

    Only because the bike advocates didn’t get what they wanted (NB bike lane all the way up Polk) . The pedestrian amenities (bulb-outs) are still part of the plan.

    It’s unfortunate that you think that middle ground is a bad thing. I really can’t see how anyone here can live by always having everything it your way instead of working with others fairly.

  23.  

    Filamino

    OMG. You are comparing apples and oranges. Urban planning and medicine are two very different fields. First of all, people’s opinions are part of urban planning! Not taking into account people’s opinions in a design is not professional at all. It is obvious you are not an urban planner and if you are, you’re not a very good one.

  24.  

    davistrain

    Hideous? It’s a transit stop sign, not a building or art work. Muni has more important things to worry about than aesthetic considerations like this. I wonder if this commenter works for a design firm.

  25.  

    Bob Gunderson

    Why would any of them be foolish enough to give up their government issued, free cars & parking?!

  26.  

    murphstahoe

  27.  

    davistrain

    The old comparison between firearms and motor vehicles–guns are weapons, designed for one thing, putting holes in targets, animals or people. Cars are a means of transportation, designed for moving people and goods from place to place. As far as being “deadly weapons” we could say the same thing about certain sporting goods such as baseball bats.

  28.  

    murphstahoe

    Here’s a new bike lane – actually it used to be unpainted and a little less useful before the repaving project. But here’s the really crazy part – just at the top end of the photo – a *roundabout* is being installed. Shocking – this is America – Windsor, Ca.

  29.  

    StrixNoctis .

    I bet the motor vehicle was double parked, probably in the bike lane.

    Here in SF, it’s even easy to get doored passing on the left. There are a bunch of stupid motorists who open the left-side doors into traffic without looking first. I even get a lot of close calls when motorists obliviously walk out from between parked vehicles to get to their driver-side doors. They’re lucky I’m a cyclist with quick reflexes and ride a nimble bike that can swerve with very sharp turns and that my brakes are excellent as well. They’d be doomed if they’d walk out into the path of a car or truck.

  30.  

    murphstahoe

    Farrell needs to drive because he’s busy, and his time in his car with
    his kids is often “the only time he gets to spend with them.”

    Nothing says quality time like riding in the car.

  31.  

    murphstahoe

    Several cars in the frame run red lights.

    I might have said “well, it’s not a very unsafe behavior, but some people just hate cyclists for no particular reason, so when they see them run a stop sign they get very angry regardless of whether or not it’s safe. So we might discuss with cyclists that if they don’t run the stop signs, maybe this group of people who just hate cyclists for no rational reason will mellow out. Of course, since we know those people are irrational, they’ll probably start deciding that people who bike eat so many burritos that cycling is worse for the environment than driving a car, so there’s really not much we can do – it’s sort of a pointless exercise. But I figured if I bought a bunch of donuts and borrowed a referee shirt, I could get Stanley Roberts to come out to the wiggle and eat donuts with me at the very least, and then I can get on TV. I presume you’re an apple fritter guy, Stanley, am I right?”

  32.  

    hp2ena

    I’ll point out that Norman Yee does indeed ride Muni. I saw him riding the K one day out west. Just serendipitously running into an elected official – unstaged, if you will *cough*Ed*cough* – I think demonstrates their commitment to riding transit, if even once in awhile.

    Then again, I hope they’re not under the impression that they have to ride Muni every day for 22 days. They get to choose which 22 days they ride, correct?

  33.  

    roymeo

    He totally had a chance to get Stanley to show law-abiding, safety-conscious but law-breaking, and safety-ignoring cyclists and drivers. A forum for a dialog. Sure Stanley will point out that the law-breakers are breaking the law, but even Stanley admits to Behaving Badly himself, at least the camera could have been on the behaviors to see what is and isn’t a threat or a ‘theft of right-of-way’ crap-move.

    As it is we just got to see 2 bikes and 6 cars break the law.

  34.  

    Marven Norman

    Someone injured in the exact spot that was slated for safety improvements until the City punted? That should be an easy lawsuit to win. File it.

  35.  

    murphstahoe

    right, but you don’t need to have a license to drive a car.

  36.  

    Dark Soul

    The 29-Sunset got too much stop way close to each other and on the same block…

  37.  

    SF Guest

    In order to get that piece of plastic you also need to pass a vision, a written test and driver’s exam. The driver’s exam normally includes parking competently in a large space, but since parking spaces in SF are HTF that part of the test is usually bypassed.

    You will be dinged for simply looking in the wrong mirror while parallel parking.

  38.  

    Scott

    Thank goodness the cyclist wasn’t killed. This is another example of biased, ignorant police and politicians that are not only showing their lack of common sense and empathy but deserve to have their city sued in a class action lawsuit.

    Who would be open to creating a protest? How to get more than 5-10 people? How to get the press attention.

    Also, does there need to be a “gofundme” type of a fund raiser to help the victim?

  39.  

    murphstahoe

    if the accused who has an anger management issue is barred from having access to an instrument which may be used as a deadly weapon.

    The requirement to drive a car is
    1) a car
    2) the keys to the car

    A license is just a piece of plastic. Of course, if he gets caught he will probably go to jail. Then again, if he intentionally drives over someone he goes to jail, but he did that anyway, didn’t he.

    https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A86.JyRwyDpV7WMAllcnnIlQ;_ylc=X1MDMTM1MTE5NTY4NwRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1tb3ppbGxhLTAwNARncHJpZAM5SVd5Z1VjaVFyeWJ1QUo0TEZ6NDBBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMxBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzM1BHF1ZXJ5A2RyaXZlciB3aXRoIHN1c3BlbmRlZCBsaWNlbnNlIGtpbGxzBHRfc3RtcAMxNDI5OTE1Nzgy?p=driver+with+suspended+license+kills&fr2=sb-top-search&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

  40.  

    voltairesmistress

    Nothing like a well-conceived lawsuit against the Town of Belmont and its police department to jumpstart safe streets there. Enough waiting around for the culture to change. This is why I like lawyers.

  41.  

    SF Guest

    Judge Flores may regard the original $75K bail commensurate to negligent driving whereas this case involves using his car to intentionally cause bodily harm. It would be considered a meaningful ‘increase in bail’ if the accused who has an anger management issue is barred from having access to an instrument which may be used as a deadly weapon. If Decarvalho has a history of using his car as a deadly weapon the bail would have automatically been set substantially higher.

  42.  

    HMM burritos

    Apparently Belmont needs to read the DMV driving manual.

  43.  

    murphstahoe

    I understand what he did. I just don’t understand why he considers surrendering his license a meaningful “increase in bail”

  44.  

    SF Guest

    Judge Flores stated he felt the original $75K bail was too low so he gave him a choice of $250K bail or keep his $75K bail and surrender his driver’s license. Decarvalho chose to surrender his license along with the lower bail.

  45.  

    mike_napolis_beard

    The problem is, we’re several generations into a transportation world (physically and conceptually) crafted by shrewd automobile company marketing. We need to help others come to the realization that “convention” is not the same as “tradition” and that a world designed (only) for cars is not particularly livable — on many fronts.

  46.  

    Upright Biker

    Agree this was a well-meaning attempt to make an important point, that bicycles have different infrastructure needs than cars, but it ended up backfiring entirely.

    This is why we have media-trained spokespeople representing us through the SFBC and CalBC.

  47.  

    murphstahoe

    I find it very odd that the judge thinks he is doing something meaningful by pulling the drivers license of the uber driver.

    He compared the situation to someone using a gun – but we don’t offer a reduction in bail to anyone who shoots someone with a gun if they surrender their weapons permit. He committed a violent crime and it should be treated exactly as any other violent crime regardless of weapon. Especially since unlike gun, nobody will really notice if this guy gets in a car anyway. He’ll go to jail if he drives without the license, then again he presumably knew he would go to jail for running someone over intentionally and he did it anyway.

    And why aren’t judges so quick to pull the licenses of people who are otherwise law abiding but simply incapable of properly operating a motor vehicle.

  48.  

    mike_napolis_beard

    Funny — at what price human lives? Challenging convention? Seems a little imbalanced.

  49.  

    Jame

    I wasted so much time trying to figure out where the bus stop was, when I worked near Jackson Square. I looked on Google maps, and say there should be a stop outside my office. I saw no flag, and I was confused. I asked a colleague and he said, stops are marked by yellow poles or curbs.

    Stupidest childhood decision ever. No one could figure that out at all. Why wold anyone expect that at all?

  50.  

    Nicasio Nakamine

    Not a good segment for anyone involved. Stanley comes off as slimy-er than usual as well.