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  1.  

    murphstahoe

    “follow the law like everyone else” – I refer you to the videos posted below

  2.  

    Volker Neumann

    We’ll see how the Wiggle Stop-In https://www.facebook.com/events/1619664038274431/ goes over and then maybe it’s time to mobilize to page street in the morning.

  3.  

    Hunter

    Anyone who feels strongly about these issues of enforcement should send an email to Mayor Lee, your Supervisors, the SFPD in your district, and even Mohammed Nuru at the Department of Public Works to remind them all that SF residents want our streets improved and safety ensured NOW rather than in the distant future. Many street projects have been planned and delayed for years, despite our huge budget surplus right now. If you want to make change, you need to yell at the right people:

    Mayor Lee: MayorEdwinLee@sfgov.org
    Board of Supervisor email addresses: http://www.sfbos.org/index.aspx?page=1616
    SFPD Station emails: http://sf-police.org/index.aspx?page=796
    Mohammed Nuru: Mohammed.Nuru@sfdpw.org

  4.  

    Louie Louie

    Oh yeah, blame the suburbs for idiotic behavior in San Francisco. Are you a Fox News reporter?

  5.  

    FacheuxIsMyHoe15Dollars

    I mistakenly came here linked from another website for informed unbiased reporting. Whoops.

  6.  

    NoeValleyJim

    Can anyone tell me what section of the Vehicle Code cyclists are being cited for violating?

  7.  

    KWillets

    I’ve seen motorists do that same kind of turn onto Octavia, on a red light.

  8.  

    MarineJA

    Ridiculous. I’ve been safely gong down Page St. [left of the queued cars] every weekday morning [from 0630 to 0900] for the past [almost] 3 years and in all that time I might have seen, at most, 20 cars going up Page at the same time I was going down.

    I’d suggest a “bicycling critical mass” scenario to prove the idiocy of ticketing the bicyclists: during the peak morning rush, each and every bicyclist should line up, one after the other on Page St. [no straddling, one neat line, with about 3 ft. between each bike or car], moving only with the queue of cars and bikes when it is your turn [keeping in mind, one bike per spot]. With the number of bicyclist going through during peak rush, this will probably back traffic all the way to Divisadero.

  9.  

    joeykotfica

    As a cyclist, I’ve started using Grove as an alternative… on Page on the east side of Fillmore street, I cut over to Grove – it goes straight through to Market, and not only misses the line of traffic on Page, but also that double-red-light intersection. Just a suggestion for my fellow cyclists to give it a try!

  10.  

    Prinzrob

    Our infrastructure (for good reason) also puts people on foot in conflict more with people on bikes than those in cars, as bike riders are typically toward the far right side of the road, in the space pedestrians enter as they step into the street. This is of course safer than having pedestrians step immediately into the car space, but it does give bike riders much less opportunity to react which might account for some of those “close calls” we hear about.

    Curbside cycletracks or parking-protected bikeways help to improve this situation by increasing the visibility between the sidewalk and the bike space, as opposed to now when rows of parked cars often impede sight lines. Open streets events, multi-use paths, and even bike lanes that do double duty as areas where pedestrians access their drivers side car doors, all prove that people on bikes and on foot can mingle just fine with few to no conflicts, so my sense is that most concerns are overstated.

    From my perspective it also seems that pedestrians have been trained to fear cars but not bikes, which I think is also appropriate but can lead to more bike/ped conflicts. Some people are not wary about stepping into the street when a person on a bike is approaching, whereas I’ve seen many pedestrians cede their right of way to an approaching car driver, out of a substantiated fear that the driver won’t yield.

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    gneiss

    The easiest, most cost effective solution would be to simply ban right turns from from Page onto Octavia. Unfortunately, because this would have an impact on the street grid LOS for car drivers, the city can’t do this without conducting a traffic study that would most likely trigger the need to prepare an EIR. Not to mention all the community meetings, traffic engineering, and everything else that goes into any change SFMTA would make.

    Once again, we see how the city is unwilling to take action which would have an impact on making the environment better for modes other than car traffic. Let’s remember, that for every person who rides down this block there are three or four others who see how bad the conditions are and decide to drive a Hyundai instead.

  12.  

    SF Guest

    It’s better to walk it off.

  13.  

    peternatural

    Page sounds like a clusterfuck. Fulton and Grove it is.

  14.  

    Mother

    You have the option of getting off your bike and walking on this street. You will always be a minority. Follow the law like everyone else.

  15.  

    Andy Chow

    TNC companies doesn’t own their own cars, but rather rely on private autos that many people have, with drivers burdening the risks and cost. If the expectation is that these companies would own their cars, these companies probably wouldn’t grow as fast.

    I don’t think that most yacht and boat owners would want to become a common carrier. The demand for safety (regarding equipment, inspection) and proper insurance would be far higher.

    The challenge is the size of the Bay. The SF/San Pablo bays are larger than the bays in New York or Boston. Unless there’s a strong tourist demand, or where there’s no highway connection, most routes are too long to use regular monohull ferries. Large and fast catamaran ferries are more costly to operate.

  16.  

    SFnative74

    Given that 99% of the drivers on Page there are turning right onto Octavia, it makes perfect sense to ticket cyclists passing on the left.

  17.  

    GarySFBCN

    It is sad that San Francisco has become such a nightmare. I would expect this type of idiotic enforcement in an upscale suburban community, but not here.

    Newcomers from those upscale suburban communities want order in SF and it is clear who city hall supports on this: They want to make life easier for those commuting to Mountain View and other parts south of the city. Why should people in waiting cars have to see icky bicyclists passing them by?

    Oops, I have to go. I have to call the police to report a car with a burned-out taillight.

  18.  

    Volker Neumann

    So hold on, what side of the street am i supposed to be on again? I always forget. Silly me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjOMLD3CcA

  19.  

    Volker Neumann

    Ahh Page Street! I know thee well.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDOScOhHoE

  20.  

    John Hamilton

    This was my morning commute from the Haight to BART for years, and I *always* rode to the left of cars stacked up waiting to get on the freeway. I’d have added 10 minutes to my morning commute––and I would have risked by life each day––if I’d waited with the automobile traffic. It’s outrageous to ticket cyclists on Page in this way!

  21.  

    Suvidha Bisht

    Lovely place to drive peacefully, must visit place in San Francisco. http://www.allwonders.com/san-francisco/attractions/lombard-street

  22.  

    the_greasybear

    This appears to be SFPD’s new goal: reduce bicycle trips in San Francisco.

  23.  

    KWillets

    There was gunfire at the $42 million HUD Hayes Valley Housing Development at Haight and Buchanan Friday, and it took 5 minutes for the police to show up. I gave a description of a carload of people I had seen fleeing in a car North on Webster, but 5 minutes isn’t going to catch that.

    That is all.

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    mikesonn

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    Mountain Viewer

    Not defending ticketing as the best use of police time nor the best way to educate on safety but It’s not clear the ticketed cyclist did “duck”. And if he/she was caught on the left of the double yellow, that would seem to be a clear infraction. It would also be a pretty dangerous move as cars/trucks/buses can turn right on Page at any time (and I would venture the reason the double yellow is there -near the intersection- in the first place).

  26.  

    billdav

    I see no center line on that road so I’m having a hard time imagining what the CVC violation is.

    I don’t see how it could be CVC 21650:

    21650. Upon all highways, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
    (a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing that movement.

    Since they are passing, paragraph (a) allows them to leave the right half.

    It can’t be CVC 21202 either, because again, paragraph (a)(1) makes an exception for passing.

    It can’t be CVC 21654, because by definition, they are not going slower than the normal speed of traffic since the normal speed of traffic at that time is stop-and-go.

    It can’t be CVC 21752, because there are no visibility issues.

    Does anyone know what the code violation was?

  27.  

    murphstahoe

    An extra beer makes me more angry with the SFBC. The reaction of all the very intellectually curious folks who populate this blog is “what law was being broken”. Noah Budnik tweets out “obey traffic laws” without any clarification in follow up tweets just exactly what law was being violated.

    In general, his tweet was simply confusing and mostly useless. I don’t consider Noah either confusing or useless, but his social media strategy in this instance is befuddling.

  28.  

    murphstahoe

    You miss the point. Whether or not the cyclist gets a victory and beats the citation – the damage is done. The cop has harrassed the cyclist and instilled in their mind “Maybe this just isn’t worth it”

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    boter op mijn hoofd

    It’s too bad the author didn’t report that there is a double yellow line for about a hundred feet before the intersection. Hopefully, SFMTA will put in the center bike lane quicker now! That seems like a no-brainer improvement.

  30.  

    StrixNoctis .

    Somebody should because I doubt a citation is valid when the double yellow lines are painted in invisible ink or are only viewable when high on whatever hallucinogenic drug the cop was on.

  31.  

    NoeValleyJim

    I am going to talk to a lawyer about this and get back to you all. This doesn’t seem like it should be an infraction to me, but what do I know?

  32.  

    StrixNoctis .

    True, but even the drivers who sit in traffic inhale the exhaust.

  33.  

    Jonathan Henderson

    It is a human health issue. I would contest the tickets citing the hazardous conditions that automobile fumes present to cyclists. The fumes are carcinogenic, cancer causing toxins that when breathed in to the lungs are extremely hazardous to human health. Sitting on a bicycle in traffic breathing in the fumes from idling vehicles puts ones’ pulmonary health at risk.

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    StrixNoctis .

    Yeah, I don’t understand how a two-wheeler passing congested traffic there would be illegal either. Are there signs that say passing or lane splitting isn’t permitted on that particular street?

  35.  

    Matt Laroche

    Wow, so yes – for most of that block there’s no centerline.

  36.  

    boter op mijn hoofd

    There’s a double yellow line for about 100 feet on Page before Octavia.

  37.  

    Dave Moore

    Maybe it’s also something about predictability. Cars are somewhat restricted in what they do wrong. Every so often one does something crazy but mostly they predictably run through the start of a red light, or coast through stop signs. That’s awful of course but you get used to it. But the things that bikes can do because of their nimbleness can really surprise you. Suddenly there’s a guy going the wrong way down a street, or hopping on a sidewalk or coming to a full stop at a red and then just plowing through a pedestrian swarm. This seems to happen way more often with bikes than cars. So you get more worried about them than the admittedly more dangerous cars.

  38.  

    murphstahoe

    I mean I am sick of the bylaws kerfluffle and John Sanford and so I went to the bar and started drinking instead.

  39.  

    Mario Tanev

    What do you mean? I am familiar with the bylaws kerfuffle, but don’t get the connection.

  40.  

    murphstahoe

    The new SFBC bylaws say this is a non-issue.

  41.  

    KillMoto

    I wonder how much of that district’s budget goes to supporting police cars? Police cars cost a ton of money, and lead to officers with metabolic syndrome, costing the taxpayers millions in health care costs.

    Time to get cops out of cars and onto bikes!

  42.  

    Brant

    This is particularly galling given that most mornings inbound on Page (further up,) I get passed by an impatient motorist despite the presence of oncoming traffic. Their decision making seems to be predicated on the notion that there is no greater disorder than a car being behind a bike, therefore even oncoming traffic is insufficient reason to wait to pass.

    That said, I do see cyclists bomb down the pre-Octavia stretch (sometimes in the presence of oncoming traffic) regardless of whether there’s room to pass the line of cars on their right. There is almost always space to do so, but one has to take it slower (and so many don’t.)

  43.  

    the_greasybear

    The SFPD presents: How to Reduce Bicycling on Page Street!

    1. Pick an intersection along the major inbound bike route
    2. Ignore all bad behavior by motorists every time
    3. Hand out costly tickets to cyclists for violating an unclear law
    4. Make sure the legally required alternative to breaking the law has bicyclists idling mindlessly behind a long line of freeway-bound motorists even though there is ample room to pass and no dividing line to cross

    Working together in this way, we can all help the SFPD achieve its apparent goal of reducing bicycle trips in San Francisco!

  44.  

    94110

    I’m not familiar with the SFPD budget. Does SFPD get a share of ticket revenue? Is it apportioned by which district wrote the ticket? Is this a cash grab?

    If Park District is enforcing outside their borders this is either a cash grab or a sign they have too many officers. Either way the correct way to fight this is to fight each and every ticket in court. Fill the dockets. Make these tickets cost Park.

    They are relying on you considering your time more important than your money.

  45.  

    psysal

    Just an outsider here, but since there’s no dividing line, how can they say which side of the street you’re even on? Aren’t these bicyclists just passing on the left when it’s safe to do so, exactly like you’re supposed to?

  46.  

    Mesozoic Polk

    All SFPD is doing is here is leveling the playing field. Cyclists are the darling of city departments (what with all the gifts they have received in the form of two-block bike lanes that consist merely of paint and don’t connect to each other). Meanwhile, motorists are terribly disenfranchised in this city, even though the vast majority of street space is devoted to their personal use in moving and parking cars. Thank you, SFPD, for being a relentless champion for the poor, disenfranchised motorist!

  47.  

    helloandyhihi

    I do this every day. As the article noted, it’s just safer. The SFPD Park Station’s new Captain John Sanford is out line. We really need to organize some political pressure to put a stop to this immediately.

  48.  

    HMM burritos

    Lane splitting is legal!

  49.  

    donsf2003

    b. riding on the sidewalk is never legal unless you are under 12

  50.  

    Nicasio Nakamine

    Not cool, SFPD. How else are you supposed to navigate this nightmare? What is wrong with passing all the stopped cars on the left of this un-lined street?