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  1.  

    Donovan Lacy

    Every time I hear “war on cars”, I can’t help bu think of this:

    http://giphy.com/gifs/mad-max-jc5Jc4bzRLLBm

  2.  

    gneiss

  3.  

    Donovan Lacy

    Rich,

    Here are a couple of citations.

    Here is what transit and intercity bus drivers get paid across the country – http://www.usawage.com/high-pay/cities-bus_drivers_transit_and_intercity.php

    You will see from this that SF is in the top ten in pay ($54,380)

    and here is the cost of living index that shows that SF cost of living is in the top 20 in the world (and in line with NYC).

    http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings.jsp

    and according to this article from the Mercury news from a year ago shuttle drivers working for loop make $21- $29.15 / hr which is $43,680 – $60,632 annually.

    The article makes for good reading as it also discusses some of the other benefits that Google and Apple are providing their contract drivers, 401K, Health Benefits, Gym Access, etc.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_27696259/google-shuttle-drivers-see-pay-hike-better-benefits

  4.  

    Donovan Lacy

    Then what were you referring to in your previous comment when you “So you support lying and misrepresentation as long as it serves your biased cause?”

  5.  

    David

    “Would it really be so terrible to permit the homeless to set up camps on this unused land if that’s all they’ve got and it might prevent obstructing the bike lane?”

    Yes, it would. Look no further than the 80/Gilman interchange in Berkeley for an ongoing story of how letting the homeless do their thing only makes matters worse for everyone, include the homeless people themselves, to the point that people are desperate to fence up not just the “unused land” under the underpass but every other nook and cranny that isn’t being driven on. And since Caltrans and the City of Berkeley can’t fence up the sidewalk through the interchange, the area has become functionally inaccessible to pedestrians due to conditions similar to if not substantially worse than the ones pictured here.

    I recommend reading up on the occasional coverage by Berkeleyside if you’re curious to find out why the answer to the question you posed in that caption is a definitive yes.

  6.  

    citrate reiterator

    If Muni had a 403b with *matching*, analogously to those FB drivers, taxpayers would still be on the hook for the part that their employer (SFMTA) matched. My point is that not even private companies always insist their employee retirement plans be “100% employee funded.” (And again, do you have any evidence that transit workers in NY/Boston/Chicago/DC have better, more expensive benefits than SF’s?)

    Re: bonds, “often” is pretty vague and does not adequately support your contention that you are part of a silent libertarian majority of SF voters who are generally opposed to social spending. The recent counterexample I provided also relates directly to spending on Muni.

  7.  

    Alicia

    Is it a “fact”? Is the source for the medical issue claim a doctor’s documentation or the driver’s self-reporting?

  8.  

    murphstahoe

    My new favorite comment is “This user is blocked”

  9.  

    94110

    Delete your account.

  10.  

    Rogue Cyclist

    Rose Pak will be awarded a lifetime achievement award by SPUR. Ugh.

    http://www.spur.org/events/2016-11-17/2016-silver-spur-awards-luncheon-0

  11.  

    RichLL

    Didn’t Campos vow to fight the 25 cent surcharge for cash Muni fares on the grounds that it discriminates against the poor who typically rely more on cash?

    It’s double inflationary because the cash transfers typically give you more than the 90 minutes you get with Clipper.

  12.  

    RichLL

    Aaron joined the dark side and sold his soul, evidently.

  13.  

    RichLL

    When Streetsbloggers engage in a battle in the war on cars, they typically include cabs, Uber etc. in with cars (bad) as opposed to buses. trains, shuttles, bikes (good).

    Of course bikes are private transportation as well but miraculously get a pass despite that,

  14.  

    RichLL

    Nobody has “cited” anything that disproves it either.

  15.  

    RichLL

    If Muni had a 401K plan rather than the taxpayers being on the hook, that would be a huge improvement. As I said, the excess is more about benefits than salary.

    I never said voters never approve bonds. Only that they often don’t.

  16.  

    RichLL

    I wasn’t suggesting that anyone lied. Only that, as you say, there was a mistake about the facts.

  17.  

    RichLL

    Well yeah, the fact this was a medical issue means that the entire article is moot. No street design would prevent such an accident, except for massive concrete barriers between every road and the sidewalk, and the people would never vote for such an intrusion and inconvenience.

    Sometimes an accident is just an accident.

  18.  

    p_chazz

    A cab is not a private form of transportation, so I don’t see how this applies.

  19.  

    p_chazz

    Although the accident occurred near this intersection, no other vehicle was involved. The cab veered off Market Street and into the shoeshine stand and kiosk as a result of a medical emergency, so I don’t see how this applies.

  20.  

    Mario Tanev

    Will the new Muni train cars have different colors? If not, why do the mockups indicate so?

  21.  

    gneiss

    Channeling Stephen Colbert

  22.  

    Donovan Lacy

    Citrate, I believe he cited himself “even NYC, so I heard” 😉

  23.  

    Donovan Lacy

    Rich,
    Lying normally includes a deliberate action, this simply appears to be an oversight.

  24.  

    citrate reiterator

    Re: labor costs, cites or it didn’t happen. At least in 2010, Boston, San Jose and Chicago senior bus operators all made in the $30/hr regime as a maximum (http://gothamist.com/2010/03/09/bus_drivers_get_paid_2799hour_not_e.php). The spread is also just a couple of dollars; NYC was lower than those, but only by a dollar per hour. And even the FB shuttle drivers have 401k matching, health benefits, increased pay for split shifts, etc.

  25.  

    RichLL

    You know, Drew, it is trivially easy to not read a post from anyone whose contributions challenge your thinking. If you have to block a user to avoid reading their posts then evidently you don’t have much will power.

    I hope your mission to avoid any views that you disagree with is a success for you.

  26.  

    RichLL

    Interestingly, of those three streets, two are two-way streets which is unusual downtown where most major streets are one-way.

    Many here claim that one-way streets are more inherently dangerous and advocate making them two-way streets. Evidently that didn’t apply here.

  27.  

    RichLL

    I don’t think I ever said “almost exclusively” although Flatlander did in a different context. My original comment was to express surprise that someone would list only the external problems that affect Muni and not mention their financial, operational and union problems.

    Regarding labour costs I was really making two separate points. The first is that Muni operators earn more than they do in almost every other US city (even NYC, so I heard). In fact their old contract actually specified and enshrined that principle.

    Second, I see no reason why the local benchmark cannot instead be the private sector. Your $28 an hour comes out at $56K a year on average. Muni operators base may not be much higher than that as you claim, but benefits like health and pension are typically much more generous for any public sector workers and that’s a huge problem.

    Why can’t all operators be put on a DC plan going forward that is 100% employee-funded? That would be a start.

    As for SF voters, they quite often vote down bond measures even though in some cases tenants don’t have to pay the extra tax.

  28.  

    citrate reiterator

    Except that you were arguing that Muni’s problems were almost exclusively due to out of control labor costs, and you claimed earlier that Muni operators were paid more than in any other major American city. My point is that Muni salaries are actually normal for transit workers in a major American city, so it seems unlikely that this is the unique cause of Muni’s dysfunction.

    As far as private drivers go, after labor negotiations Facebook shuttle drivers now max out at $28 an hour, in the same ballpark as the maximum Muni driver pay scale (http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/21/contract-reached-facebook-shuttle-drivers/23554295/).

    Like most people on the site I think of good governance as a solution and bad governance as a problem. It’s clear that you oppose most social spending, which is fine, but don’t expect the rest of SF’s voters to be on your side on that one.

  29.  

    p_chazz

    The police statement reported it as a public bathroom, which is where Streetsblog got the erroneous information. The Decaux public toilets are much larger. It was obvious from the pictures that it was a newstand, not a toilet that was demolished.
    http://www.sfpublicworks.org/services/public-toilets

  30.  

    p_chazz

    The crash took place at the intersection of Market, Sansome and Sutter, not “Samsome”.

  31.  

    94110

    “Last June, we gave San Franciscans a sneak peek at the design of the new Muni light-rail vehicles.” From the press release sited by SFGate. They got it wrong.

    Also of note, said press release was written by Aaron Bialick, former editor of SFSB.

    https://www.sfmta.com/about-sfmta/blog/muni%E2%80%99s-first-new-trains-are-way-%E2%80%94-and-getting-better

  32.  

    Drew Levitt

    Just block the user :)

  33.  

    StrixNoctis .

    Maybe it was being repurposed as a public toilet since we lack actual public toilets here in SF and have to make due (when ya gotta go, ya gotta go)?

  34.  

    SFhillrunner

    SFMTA is a pile of useless, tone-deaf bureaucrats. Trying to work with them is like falling into one of Dante’s circles of Hell. Just saying.

  35.  

    RichLL

    I’ve carefully considered your request and have decided to reject it.

  36.  

    RichLL

    So you support lying and misrepresentation as long as it serves your biased cause?

  37.  

    RichLL

    When you gain limited success, at least own it.

  38.  

    RichLL

    And yet you obviously do not employ it because you keep reading my contributions and irresistably responding to them.

    Ooops.

  39.  

    murphstahoe

    Disqus allows blocking

  40.  

    murphstahoe

    Block

  41.  

    chetshome

    You are a troll. Please stop.

  42.  

    roymeo

    Wait, so your big point is that you are unable to assess which metal object did the bashing?

  43.  

    roymeo

    YOW! You think the SFPD and the Examiner are pushing the car-bashing angle?

  44.  

    RichLL

    Wait, so your big point is that sometimes the freedom. independence and liberty that come with private forms of transportation like cars and bikes carries a non-zero risk?

    And that the voters are incapable of assessing that risk?

  45.  

    RichLL

    The Trotskyist left has always been an uncomfortable alliance of effete lily-white middle-class professional yuppie types and the mostly non-white underclass. If the bike lobby are only now discovering the limitations of that then cry me a freaking self-serving sanctimonious river.

  46.  

    ItsEasyBeingGreen

    It looks like it was the car that did the bashing.

  47.  

    RichLL

    Never let the truth get in the way of a good car-bashing story

  48.  

    Senor_Wences

    That was not a public toilet kiosk. It was a newspaper kiosk that has been shuddered for two decades.

  49.  

    ZA_SF

    There’s a story in them there hills.

  50.  

    p_chazz

    I would think that Caltrans would partner with health and human service agencies regarding homeless who trespass onto Caltrans ROW.