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  • Donovan Lacy

    Dave,

    That is fair. I can be a dick when a car or motorcycle comes up behind me in the bike lane.

    There is a lot of entitlement and a lot of anger out on the road. I really wish the police would do more to enforce the laws.

  • murphstahoe

    “A bike lane is for travel and not for parking. Dietel stopped his bike and should have moved onto the side-walk.”

    Except for certain conditions, which you have pointed out to great length on this blog. But you have not provided any evidence that Dietel was not in one of those conditions. Maybe he is driving a pedi-cab and is dropping off a disabled passenger? Maybe he has a flat tire!

  • murphstahoe

    As to whether Dietel was able to advance his agenda…

    Kudos @SFPD and @SFMTrA for making Golden Gate Ave safer for tonight's commute. pic.twitter.com/cSmO3t973O— Randall Dietel (@R27D) June 30, 2016

    What a dick

  • Donovan Lacy

    Wow. That is impressive work. Thank you, Mr. Dietel.

  • RichLL

    We know what he was doing because he admitted it. And it’s illegal as well as assholish.

  • RichLL

    Wait, so a biased self-absorbed attention whore thinks he did a good job? And you regard that as evidence?

  • RichLL

    You missed the point. Any self-styled vigilante is courting danger and should know that. If it’s wrong for me to initiate a zero tolerance enforcement of cyclists coming to a complete stop in the Wiggle, then it’s equally wrong for Dietel to play cop in a bike lane

  • RichLL

    I feel sure that Dietel means well and, like everyone, thinks he is right. That said, it’s SFPD’s job to police bike lanes and not his. And if he keeps up this one-man vigilante operation, he’s probably going to end up with a lot more than a slapped camera.

    The biggest problem cyclist have in SF right now is that they have very bad PR, because of Critical Mass, Bucchere, Hespelt and a general FU attitude. And this guy typifies that self-righteous sense of entitlement.

    He is not on your side.

  • RichLL

    The motorcyclist wasn’t on a sanctimonious mission. He didn’t set out aggravate others out of a deluded sense that he was holier than everyone else

  • RichLL

    SFPD enforce the law according to the priorities that we the voters give them. The sting on the Wiggle a few months ago was a direct result of public demand. There isn’t the same demand to give out meaningless tickets to cars in the bike lane when there isn’t a bike for miles around. It’s quite simply not as important as other crimes.

    If a bike lane blockage causes an accident then that’s different. But I’m not aware of any accident that has been caused by a car fleetingly occupying a bike lane. At worst it’s an inconvenience

  • RichLL

    That’s one view. But personally I think an asshole like Dietel taking the law into in his own hands quite possibly makes cyclists look worse (just like Bucchere and Hespelt did) and that makes the silent majority care LESS about cyclists, not more.

  • RichLL

    Follow the thread. The reference is clearly cited

  • murphstahoe

    Really. That must be why the SFPD showed up to cite people driving in the bike lane – the silent majority!

  • RichLL

    My guess – it’s a new lane and that often attracts initial SFPD attention. In fact I got pulled over on Fell when they changed the lane marking and it was just an educational chat. SFPD wanted to be sure drivers understood the new lanes. The cop even admitted to me that it was “confusing”

    Do you seriously think GG Avenue is going to be a daily high priority? In the TL of all neighborhoods?

  • RichLL

    Yeah, and in fact I often think that bike lanes get put on the wrong streets. They tend to appear on high-speed, high-volume arteries when, oftentimes, there is a quiet leafy alternative street close by that is safer.

    OK, there aren’t many leaves in the Tenderloin, but you know what I mean.

  • dat

    Good work! Keep pulling the thread! The whole thing is about to unravel!

  • dat

    I am curious. You come across as absolutely desperate to prove that the person on the bike is wrong here or being misleading. You’ve spent a lot of time typing out comments to this effect. You come across not only in this thread but in many, many others as having an axe to grind against people who ride bikes.

    What happened to you? What happened that you have this overwhelming need to assign blame to people who ride bikes, in as many instances as possible in the comments? You sure spend a lot of time doing this.

    Did someone who rides a bike take your romantic partner? Kick sand in your face at the beach? What was it? Looking back through your comment history this seems to be your hobby if not obsession. I’m genuinely interested to know why you are so anxious to carry water in any situation where there is a conflict. Help me out here?

  • Donovan Lacy

    Rich,

    You really do seem to have a major issue with cyclists. I would be interested in having a cup of coffee sometime and exploring the root of this obsession.

    I wish you the best of luck on your experiment in the Wiggle. I will be sure to stop and say hello and ask you why you are stopped in the middle of the cross walk.

  • RichLL

    I don’t have a “major issue with cyclists”. I have a major issue with anyone who gets obsessed with their ideological views to the point of going out of their way to try and punish those who disagree with them.

    So I think Dietel’s behavior is odious but so would running interference on the Wiggle or driving 55 on a freeway.

    If you’re seeking to “enforce” your own will on others, then it’s a problem.

  • RichLL

    Playing amateur psychologist does not become you. I have nothing against cyclists. I have ridden a bike myself but no longer do.

    My issue is with arrogance and bad behavior, regardless of whether that is a cyclist, pedestrian or driver.

    And I have an issue with bias. Since there is a lot of pro-cycling bias here, that gets my focus. I also think that the SF bike lobby is dramatically failing at its PR efforts, and some constructive feedback could improve that situation.

  • dat

    So you’re here to enforce something or other?

    It’s funny, the only time I can recall seeing you up in arms is when you are trying to pin the blame on people on bikes. I don’t recall seeing you spend so much time and attention on people who drive or walk.

  • Replace “Dietel” with “Stanley Roberts”.

  • Donovan Lacy

    RichLL,

    You are posts on this message are reflecting the same level of obsession that you say that are opposing. You are obsessed with the behavior of cyclists, and what you perceive as them being pompous, sanctimonious, entitled or even dickish, and you are going out of your way to try to punish them with your posts.

    You have spent considerably more time debating the motives of someone trying to bring attention to the dangers on our streets for cyclists then you have condemning the drivers that committed the terribly action that caused the death of two cyclists in the last week, and many more before them.

    If your issue is truly with arrogance and bad behavior, regardless of whether that is a cyclist, pedestrian or driver. Where is your outrage with drivers?

  • murphstahoe

    I stalked RichLL and got an evening picture in his house

    http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

  • murphstahoe

    That said, it’s SFPD’s job to police bike lanes and not his.

    And it’s Ed Lee’s job to make sure the SFPD does theirs. And they don’t. Nothing like a little sunshine to effect change.

  • murphstahoe

    Roberts rags on cyclists too, so in RichLL’s world Roberts is only half bad

  • Donovan Lacy

    RichLL,

    SFPD Detectives don’t hand out tickets to people running red lights. To suggest that having SFPD enforce the red light, stop sign, speeding, failure to yield and even bike lane violations is going to prevent their detectives from investigating and preventing rape and child abuse is nonsense.

    SFPD was given a mandate to Focus on the Five and have chosen to ignore that directive. You can’t have it both ways. When discussing the Motorcycle incident on Golden Gate you said that the bike lane was a meant for travel and by Dietel obstructing it he was breaking the law.

    How then is it okay for a car to stop in that same lane?

  • RichLL

    It’s Ed Lee’s job to ensure that SFPD enforcement priorities mirror that of the voters, and not that they mirror the special interest single-issue lobbyists who may think differently.

    Do you have evidence that the voters want, say, massive enforcement of bike lanes and zero enforcement of bikes ignoring stop signs?

  • RichLL

    I had thought the same thing as Roymeo i.e. that this is a little like what Roberts does.

    The difference is that Roberts focuses on all classes of wrongdoers, and not just one. Roberts is a journalist and Dietel is some kind of narrowly-defined single-issue direct activism vigilante.

  • RichLL

    I already stated that I thought this motorcyclist was wrong, as were the two drivers last week who killed two cyclists.

    However the topic here was Dietel form of “enforcement” and bike lanes. Neither of last week’s deaths involved a bike lane. IIRC one was a hit-and-run who blew a light and the other was driving a car he had stolen.

    And I’m really questioning whether vigilante activism is a net benefit for the cyclist lobby which, ultimately, relies on the goodwill of the voters and taxpayers to support safer cycling.

    Oh, and not much time. I multi-task.

  • RichLL

    Agreed, it’s not OK for either Dietel or the motorcyclist to break the law. I didn’t personally think that either were putting anyone in danger though, so I don’y think that ticketing either of them would be worthwhile.

    The smack is another matter of course.

    As for red lights, obviously only a small percentage get caught, just like only a small percentage of cyclists get caught for blowing stop signs. The level of enforcement necessary to perform zero tolerance policing on all SF’s roads would be astronomical and the voters and taxpayers would not support it

  • murphstahoe

    The only vote that counts is Ron Conway’s

  • RichLL

    I can no more police the internet than Dietel can police every SF street. But do you really have a problem with someone who broadens the debate, questions assumptions and cliches, and challenges straight-line thinking and the inherent biases in any advocacy and activism?

  • RichLL

    Come on, Murph, that cartoon is at least a decade old. You can do better – I know you can.

  • RichLL

    Do you have actual evidence that SFPD enforcement priorities differ markedly from the consensus of SF voters. I’d be interested to see your numbers.

  • dat

    We’re working on an alternate persona for him. Open to names for his alter ego. A friend of mine is an illustrator and he’s coming up with a few concept sketches for “Pro-bike bias comment vigilante man”.

  • murphstahoe
  • dat

    Too cute. Needs to look grumpier.

  • dat
  • Donovan Lacy

    Rich,

    You stated at the beginning of this thread that “the video doesn’t show any attempt to enforce anything.” You have now come full circle and are claiming that you are opposed to this type of enforcement. How can you be opposed to something that you claimed did not exist?

    You stated that the motorcyclist was wrong and then you called the guy that took the video pompous, sanctimonious, entitled and dickish. Can you not see how one might infer a bias in these characterizations?

    Furthermore, the statement that you are “really questioning whether vigilante activism is a net benefit”, is disingenuous, given that you clearly believe that it is not beneficial to the “cyclist lobby”.

    If “vigilante activism” as you call it won’t change anything, what would you suggest to change your mind and ultimately the mind of all of those voters and taxpayers that we need to support safer cycling?

  • Donovan Lacy

    Dat,
    I am looking forward to seeing that. We could make SFBC bike stickers with a don’t be a “fill in the image”.

  • RichLL

    All adorable but I suspect that readers regard your whimsical distractions as an indicator that you cannot refute the substantial points that I made.

    Or is this not a place for serious debate of transportation and safety topics, but rather a playground for seventh graders?

  • RichLL

    First, I’ve learned more along the way. Initially I merely asked why Dietel made the claims he did, before others pointed out that he was a self-styled vigilante.

    Second, I don’t think there is any bias in criticizing Dietel’s actions because O said the same applies to those who used similar tactics to “enforce” cyclists or pedestrians.

    The real issue is how cyclists are perceived because that informs whether or not voters will support their desires. And Dietel does not create a cuddly sympathetic image any more than Bucchere or Hespelt do.

    The bike lobby needs better friends and supporters.

  • dat

    Sorry mate, I have a full time job and cannot contribute countless hours as you do to refute your ever moving goalposts end endless postings. I think our readers here all know who and what you are without ceaseless debate.

  • I agree, certain commenters having a way of overrunning the discussion with a bunch of inane comments. But there’s a new option in town for that:
    https://blog.disqus.com/user-blocking-is-now-available-on-disqus

    Better than avoiding a site you used to like just because it got overrun by a few people who have nothing to do all day but post an endless stream of idiotic comments.

  • Donovan Lacy

    Rich,

    You love to debate and create lively discussion, so to say that you “merely asked Dietel made the claims he did” is disingenuous. You made the comment to start a debate. You accomplished your desired effect. You should take pride in your success, not back away from it.

    I agree that it is not bias simply to criticize Dietel, but language that you use to criticize him and the lack of that same language when you describe drivers and pedestrian, does create the perception that you are biased.

    Why does the bike lobby need a “cuddly sympathetic image”?

    The bike lobby continues to grow and add new supporters every day. Someday maybe we can include you in that growing crowd.

    I will ask again, what would you suggest needs to be done change your mind and ultimately the mind of all of those voters and taxpayers that we need to support safer cycling?

  • SF Guest

    Maybe Dietel even did it for the publicity and to get his name in the media . . .

  • Thank you for your concern. Is this your job?

  • You’re really stretching here.

    Roberts focuses on individuals, and then edits those together to create a spot for a local television station. But individuals feature large, whether it be Elmo T-shirt guy, bad-touch Elmo costume guy, or bike referee.

    And when someone attacks him, he presses charges.

    He has a broad audience and picks his focus based on his interests. Individuals with cameras have their own.

    Do you not agree that every individual has the right to pick their own interests and focus their energy as they see appropriate?

    Or is it just professional journalists with a broad agenda that have that luxury?

  • RichLL

    Roymeo, I never said that Dietel didn’t have a legal right to do what he did, at least aside from the fact that he appeared to be illegally stopped in a bike lane. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when you are out in public, so your consent is not required if you wish to photograph or film someone. That said:

    1) It’s still rude to film someone if you know or reasonably expect that they would or might object. So resentment can reasonably be expected and, occasionally, a smack on the nose.

    2) If it is known that you are on a single-issue mission then you are less likely to be persuasive than if you have a broad scope, like Roberts. I’d agree that Roberts edits his footage based on what he thinks will attract readers, and so is not entirely objective either. But having no political axe to grind does make him more convincing, other things being equal

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